From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: stern@rowland.harvard.edu, psusi@cfl.rr.com, pavel@suse.cz,
torvalds@osdl.org, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, alon.barlev@gmail.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler?
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:55:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200602200755.57699.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060219130243.52af0782.akpm@osdl.org>
Am Sonntag, 19. Februar 2006 22:02 schrieb Andrew Morton:
> Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org> wrote:
> >
> > Am Sonntag, 19. Februar 2006 21:02 schrieb Andrew Morton:
> > > For a), the current kernel behaviour is what we want - make the thing
> > > appear at a new place in the namespace and in the hierarchy. Then
> > > userspace can do whatever needs to be done to identify the device, and
> > > apply some sort of policy decision to the result.
> >
> > How? If you have a running user space the connection to the open files
> > is already severed, as any access in that time window must fail.
>
> That's a separate issue, which we haven't discussed yet. We have a device
> which has gone away and which might come back later on. Presently we will
> return an I/O error if I/O is attempted in that window. Obviously we'll
> need to do something different, such as block reads and block or defer writes.
But how do you handle memory management?
If you simply block writes, the system will stall random tasks laundering
pages, including those needed to make progress. Even syncing before
suspend won't help you, as a running user space may dirty pages.
And what about the rootfs?
Oliver
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-20 6:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20060217210445.GR3490@openzaurus.ucw.cz>
2006-02-18 21:04 ` Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler? Alan Stern
2006-02-19 0:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 6:02 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 6:32 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 16:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:54 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 20:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-19 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 6:55 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2006-02-20 7:29 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 7:57 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] <200602132327.10475.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-02-14 19:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 20:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 21:08 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-15 15:56 ` Alan Stern
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