From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604250849.19946.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0604250947260.5330-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 6:50 am, Alan Stern wrote:
>
> We might have been able to avoid some of these problems with USB devices
> if we had been a bit more careful. In particular, it wouldn't hurt to
> have usb_resume_device() verify that the upstream port is enabled and not
> suspended in the non-CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND case.
Nope ... remember, the USB device enumerated from scratch both times.
Identically, reproducibly. So the first device will again be given
address 2, and will even pass the "is it still there" sanity check in
finish_device_resume(). (I was testing with USB_SUSPEND of course.)
But that device wasn't in the _right_ suspend state, the one in which
it had been left before swsusp turned the power off. Only the low level
setup had been (could have been) done -- USB enumeration, that's all.
The reason such devices can't work after this fakey "resume" is that
the system (specifically swsusp) is lying about things. It brought
all the hardware part way up, obliterating all the true state that
drivers rely on to make resume() behave correctly.
Making swsusp do like kexec -- resetting the devices that need it -- is
just making that PM code stop its lies.
HCDs (and similar drivers) can handle it OK if there was a power loss
after suspend(). By calling device_suspend() not device_shutdown(),
swsusp is going out of its way to prevent drivers from knowing .
- Dave
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Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 14:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 0:30 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 8:20 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 8:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 16:11 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 1:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 3:32 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26 3:44 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26 9:07 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 21:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49 ` David Brownell [this message]
2006-04-27 1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26 3:06 ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 0:19 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
[not found] ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07 0:53 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:02 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 0:51 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:24 ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57 ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28 ` Pavel Machek
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