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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:32:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604251032.57204.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604250832.04065.nigel@suspend2.net>

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Hi,

On Tuesday 25 April 2006 00:31, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 April 2006 07:29, David Brownell wrote:
> > I've noticed a bunch of problem reports that go like this:
> >
> >  - boot system with some USB devices attached
> >  - echo disk > /sys/power/state
> >  - ... later resume ...
> >  - now those USB devices don't work right
> >  - unplug them/replug them, all is OK
> >
> > I recently observed this myself and tracked down one problem.  The solution
> > involves what kexec() does in much the same situation:  before starting a
> > new kernel, most hardware needs to be reset.  Today, swsusp will suspend it
> > instead, which is the root cause of the problem.
> 
> I'm not sure that it is. If we switched to not freezing devices, we'd then 
> cause issues with hardware such as hard drives. They need to know that we 
> just want things quiesced, mainly because we don't want to spin down drives.

That's right.  And kernel_restart_prepare(NULL) will make them spin down?
If so, they have to be treated in a special way.

OTOH I think at least some device driver writers assume that .resume() will
always be called after .suspend() which only is true for non-modular drivers
(or for modular drivers loaded from an initrd before resume).  The David's
change makes this assumptions explicitly invalid and that's why I said
I agreed with it.  However you're absolutely right about hard disks.

Greetings,
Rafael

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47   ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 14:41       ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26  0:30             ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  8:20               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:16             ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:08         ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55             ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41               ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21               ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56       ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25  8:32   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2006-04-25 16:11     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:34                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55                   ` David Brownell
2006-04-26  1:16                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26  3:32                       ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  3:44                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47             ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04         ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41           ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13             ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  9:07               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 21:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56             ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38                     ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06                         ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31                 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44                     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54     ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41   ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12     ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26  3:06       ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16         ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27  0:19           ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31               ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07  0:53                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:02                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  0:51                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:24                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57                     ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28                 ` Pavel Machek

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