From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:32:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604252032.42695.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604261116.59070.nigel@suspend2.net>
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 6:16 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wednesday 26 April 2006 09:55, David Brownell wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 April 2006 3:18 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > I saw the 2 suspends, 1 resume comment in another part of the thread, but
> > > don't believe a driver would be able to detect that 2 suspends and 1
> > > resume call had been made - at least not without some non volatile ram.
> >
> > The extra suspend is just IMO a symptom of sloppiness, like a "here may be
> > bugs" sign. Not necessarily an issue in its own right.
> >
> > In fact if you count carefully, it's three suspends and one resume: one
> > suspend before calling swsusp_resume, one inside swsusp_resume -- replaced
> > by my patch -- and a correctly matched pair in the kernel being resumed.
>
> That doesn't sound right. Let' see - where's this third one?
I see your point ... device_suspend() and device_power_down() really
do the same thing, but to different sets of devices. A nastily deceptive
naming convention that I may want to fix someday.
So it's not quite fair counting those separately. Three suspend calls,
sure ... but only two per device.
> > Also, about non-volatile RAM. Not necessary ... the device hardware holds
> > all the relevant state. The problem is that swsusp is now trashing it with
> > those suspend calls before resuming the real kernel. On the plus side, we
> > already have code being used to resolve the identical issue for kexec(),
> > and all my patch does is to use it.
>
> If devices really do get powered down, then they won't retain the state. If
> they don't actually powerdown, then I see your point.
While the system is restarting into the snapshot, there's no powerdown.
(Because device_power_down doesn't actually power down devices.) Q.E.D.
- Dave
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Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 14:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 0:30 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 8:20 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 8:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 16:11 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 1:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 3:32 ` David Brownell [this message]
2006-04-26 3:44 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26 9:07 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 21:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26 3:06 ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 0:19 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
[not found] ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07 0:53 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:02 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 0:51 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:24 ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57 ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28 ` Pavel Machek
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