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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@cyclades.com>
To: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:34:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604252034.54352.ncunningham@cyclades.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604241547.38692.david-b@pacbell.net>

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Hi.

On Tuesday 25 April 2006 08:47, David Brownell wrote:
> On Monday 24 April 2006 2:47 pm, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > I agree with this change but I think it'll cause some strange things to
> > happen for some time.
>
> Let's see.  :)  I think it's less likely to be drivers with broken
> shutdown() callbacks than drivers which are missing them.
>
> Plus, one of the main reasons that driver suspend/resume handling
> is _still_ so goofy is that most drivers are stupid, and just reinit
> devices from scratch in their resume() methods.  Drivers like that
> should not notice any difference.  :)

No!

The only reason that driver suspend/resume handling is still far from perfect 
is that a good number of drivers still don't have any suspend/resume 
handling. Getting rid of the instrastructure because it isn't completely 
implemented is the wrong approach. We should instead complete implementing 
the support so that drivers understand the difference between freezing, 
suspending, powering down, powering up and resuming. If we dumb things down, 
we'll only create problems.

Rafael raised the issue in another email of code built as modules that is 
suspended and not resumed or vice versa because in the case of suspend to 
disk, the module is loaded at boot time but not in the suspended kernel (or 
v.v). It seems to me that the right way to deal with this is to extend the 
use of __nosave so that information about what was loaded in the boot kernel 
is available when resuming drivers after the atomic restore.

Regards,

Nigel

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47   ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34     ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2006-04-25 14:41       ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26  0:30             ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  8:20               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:16             ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:08         ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55             ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41               ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21               ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56       ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25  8:32   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 16:11     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:34                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55                   ` David Brownell
2006-04-26  1:16                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26  3:32                       ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  3:44                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47             ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04         ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41           ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13             ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  9:07               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 21:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56             ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38                     ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06                         ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31                 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44                     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54     ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41   ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12     ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26  3:06       ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16         ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27  0:19           ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31               ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07  0:53                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:02                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  0:51                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:24                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57                     ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28                 ` Pavel Machek

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