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From: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:18:11 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604260818.20484.nigel@suspend2.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604260006.33856.rjw@sisk.pl>


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Hi.

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 08:06, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 April 2006 23:03, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 April 2006 06:53, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 25 April 2006 22:28, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 26 April 2006 04:56, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > You're saying that (9) is wrong, so could you please suggest what
> > > > > to do instead of it?
> > > >
> > > > 'scuse me for butting in, but here's my suggested modified version:
> > > > > Well, suppose we have a modular driver that's not loaded before
> > > > > resume. Then it goes like that (approximately):
> > > > > (1) We activate swsusp which calls .suspend() for all devices
> > > > > including our driver (this is a real suspend).
> > > > > (2) swsusp snapshots the system and creates the image.
> > > > > (3) swsusp calls .resume() for all devices in order to be able to
> > > > > save the image (.resume() for our driver is also called which is
> > > > > OK). (4) swsusp turns off the system.
> > > > > (5) (some time later) We start a new kernel and tell it to resume.
> > > > > (6) It activates swsusp which reads the image.
> > > > > (7) (without your change) swsusp calls .suspend() for all device
> > > > > drivers that are present at that time, but our driver is not there,
> > > > > so its .suspend() _won't_ be called.  [Of course with your change
> > > > > .suspend() won't be called for any driver.]
> > > >
> > > > We also make a list that is safely available after the atomic restore
> > > > of drivers that have had .suspend methods called.
> > >
> > > Do you mean we place the list in a __nosave area?
> >
> > Well, I wasn't wanting to get bogged down in the details yet, but let's
> > see what we can come up with. How about this:
> >
> > At the point where we do the drivers resume at resume time, we're still
> > atomic, right? Since that's the case, we can just use get_safe_page()
> > prior to the restore to store the list and a __nosave pointer to retain
> > the location across the atomic restore. If we are concerned about
> > resuming drivers allocating memory and overwriting our list (and I think
> > that's a valid concern), space could be allocated and the list copied
> > between doing the atomic restore and the device pwoerup/resume.
>
> This one seems to look better.
>
> Still the problem is we need to know what to do with the devices that have
> had .suspend() routines called.  Some of them would have to be reset, some
> of them might be left in the current state, and for some of them we'd have
> to do something special.  Frankly, only the driver writer will know what's
> appropriate.

I saw the 2 suspends, 1 resume comment in another part of the thread, but 
don't believe a driver would be able to detect that 2 suspends and 1 resume 
call had been made - at least not without some non volatile ram. This is the 
problem I'm mainly seeking to address. I agree that the driver is the only 
thing that will know what to do with the information. That presents another 
issue - we would then have to pass on to the drivers the information - I 
guess by modified a field in their struct device?

Regards,

Nigel
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47   ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 14:41       ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26  0:30             ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  8:20               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:16             ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27  8:08         ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55             ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41               ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21               ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56       ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25  8:32   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 16:11     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18                 ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2006-04-25 22:34                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55                   ` David Brownell
2006-04-26  1:16                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26  3:32                       ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  3:44                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24           ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47             ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04         ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41           ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13             ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26  9:07               ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 21:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56             ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38                     ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06                         ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31                 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44                     ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54     ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49   ` David Brownell
2006-04-27  1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41   ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12     ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26  3:06       ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16         ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27  0:19           ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31               ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07  0:53                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:02                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  0:51                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  1:24                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57                     ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38               ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28                 ` Pavel Machek

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