From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>,
linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend()
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060426090747.GC6676@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604251613.42388.david-b@pacbell.net>
On Út 25-04-06 16:13:41, David Brownell wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 April 2006 2:41 pm, Pavel Machek wrote:
>
> > > Well, if we had a pm_should_I_spin_down_drives() it would make sense to me
> > > that it return FALSE during kernel_restart_prepare() too ... surely kexec
> > > users have the same issues!
> >
> > pm_should_I_spin_down_drives() is incredibly ugly hack, sorry.
>
> The name was chosen to be ugly. I'd expect someone to make it prettier;
> maybe draw ponies around the name or somesuch. ;)
:-).
> However, by the way your pm_message_t changes removed all information about
> system states, you've forced that family of approach in every driver that needs
> to know about such states in order to behave correctly. For example, "don't
> turn off clock X in PM_STANDBY" ... since no driver has a standard way to know
> about PM_STANDBY, it needs some function accessing state set up by pm_ops.prepare
> or else it's not going to be able to behave right.
Or you can simply adds flags field to pm_message_t.
> You still haven't come up with a response to my point that starting up a
> new kernel via swsusp snapshot resume is a system restart in exactly
> the
After kexec, you hit device-init path, while after swsusp resume, you
hit... well resume(). That's quite different.
> same way as it is for kexec() ... at this point, there is no better fix
> for the problem than my original patch, AND you haven't actually identified
> a single real problem with it.
You identified that problem yourselves: it will break drivers.
Add flags field and be done with it... please?
Pavel
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-04-26 9:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-24 21:29 [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc2] swsusp resume must not device_suspend() David Brownell
2006-04-24 21:47 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-24 22:47 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 10:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 14:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-25 17:37 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-25 20:45 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 0:30 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 8:20 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-27 14:34 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-27 16:55 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 17:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-27 19:21 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 20:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-27 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 16:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-24 22:31 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 8:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 16:11 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 18:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 20:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 20:53 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 21:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 22:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 23:55 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 1:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 3:32 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26 3:44 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-26 14:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 19:47 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-04-25 21:04 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 21:41 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 23:13 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-04-26 9:07 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-04-25 21:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-25 22:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 11:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 14:38 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-04-26 15:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 16:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 19:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-04-26 20:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-26 21:31 ` David Brownell
2006-04-26 22:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-04-27 19:44 ` David Brownell
2006-04-25 15:56 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 10:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-25 13:50 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-04-25 15:49 ` David Brownell
2006-04-27 1:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-04-27 19:41 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2006-05-02 16:12 ` Patrick Mochel
2006-05-26 3:06 ` David Brownell
2006-05-26 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-26 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 0:19 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2006-05-27 16:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05 15:31 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 0/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:36 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 1/6] fix broken/dubious driver suspend() methods David Brownell
[not found] ` <20060530191140.GA4017@ucw.cz>
2006-06-07 0:53 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:37 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 2/6] add PM_EVENT_PRETHAW David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:02 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 3/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle in IDE and PCI David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 0:51 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 4/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW for various graphics cards David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:30 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-07 1:24 ` David Brownell
2006-06-07 18:57 ` PM docs and API? bsmith
2006-06-07 22:58 ` David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 5/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, handle for USB David Brownell
2006-06-05 16:38 ` [patch/rft 2.6.17-rc5-git 6/6] PM_EVENT_PRETHAW, issue from PM core David Brownell
2006-05-30 19:28 ` Pavel Machek
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