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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>
To: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:50:01 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200606161250.05076.ncunningham@linuxmail.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606151839440.5498@g5.osdl.org>


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Hi.

On Friday 16 June 2006 12:28, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > You can't save a consistent system image if your drivers aren't all
> > stopped and DMA is stopped.
>
> Read the whole thread to an end.
>
> You don't _need_ to save a consistent system image. There's no "single
> snapshot in time" needed.

Yes, you do. If you save an image that has, say, pages in the lru that are 
also in the free lists or a similar situation with driver data, you're going 
to get an oops some time after resume at best, and possibly ruin your 
filesystem at worst.

That said, consistency doesn't need to equal atomicity. As I'm sure you know, 
what we're after is something that's effectively atomic, which is why I've 
happily saved the lru separate to the atomically copied pages for the last 4 
or so years. It works because I can be sure nothing's going to change the lru 
contents, so the image is effectively atomic.

Regards,

Nigel
-- 
Nigel, Michelle and Alisdair Cunningham
5 Mitchell Street
Cobden 3266
Victoria, Australia

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-16  2:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 348+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-13 21:30 [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 21:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add some basic resume trace facilities Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 22:10   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-13 22:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 10:25   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-13 21:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 23:20   ` David Brownell
2006-06-13 23:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:06         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14  0:18         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:29           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:29       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:28     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 11:15       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14 15:28       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:34   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 17:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 18:09         ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 18:29           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 19:13             ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 19:17               ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 21:40         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:12             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:26               ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 22:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:44                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 23:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  1:54                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15  2:48                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:39                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 14:56                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 16:14                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:26                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 18:24                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:03                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 20:28                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:43                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:31                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 23:01                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  4:15                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:26                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 23:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 16:43                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:52                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  6:02                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 16:59                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 17:51                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:09                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 17:04                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:17                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-15 22:24                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:17                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:15                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  2:50                                   ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2006-06-16  3:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:36                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16 14:03                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 15:53                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15  1:46                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  6:00                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15 16:22                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:41                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:57                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 18:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 18:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 19:19                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:30                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 20:56                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:10                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 22:20                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:41                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 13:29                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:21                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:44                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 12:49                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 13:22                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:31                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:53                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16  3:16                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  4:04                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:26                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:37                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:02                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:56                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:29                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:33                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:35                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-16  5:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:18                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:42                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 16:48                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 13:58                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 14:04                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 18:31                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 18:45                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 23:04                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-18 17:16                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 21:28                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-18 17:09                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:16                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:48                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 18:18                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-19  0:34                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-20  2:15                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-20 22:47                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-19  3:54                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:17                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:44                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  0:49                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  1:10                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  2:40                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  2:57                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  3:23                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  3:59                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  4:22                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  4:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  5:04                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 15:33                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 16:03                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 16:35                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 17:04                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 18:53                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 20:49                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:16                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:04                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:01                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:22                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:47                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  3:21                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  3:18                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  4:08                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  4:58                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:10                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:30                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 19:23                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 22:43                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 18:06                                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 19:23                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23 23:32                                                                                           ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 23:44                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:10                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:39                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:30                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:10                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:22                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  0:29                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  1:00                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  2:42                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-24  3:12                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  4:04                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:35                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  8:23                                                                                                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-25 17:15                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-26 23:30                                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2006-06-24  4:07                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 11:16                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 16:24                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24 22:28                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 22:41                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:30                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:16                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:32                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25 16:35                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:02                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25 23:56                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-26 23:31                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-24 22:39                                                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-29  0:37                                                                                                     ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  0:48                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  3:09                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  3:24                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  4:21                                                                                                             ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  6:26                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-06-29 22:58                                                                                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  9:50                                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 22:27                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 22:31                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-07-08 17:45                                                                                                                 ` PM_TRACE causing FSCK David Brownell
2006-07-06 23:27                                                                                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Dave Jones
2006-07-06 23:43                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 23:59                                                                                                                   ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  4:48                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07  8:35                                                                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 23:51                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-09 23:28                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-10  7:53                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-25 18:17                                                                                                               ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 18:29                                                                                                                 ` bus.suspend_prepare() Linus Torvalds
2006-07-25 19:17                                                                                                                   ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 22:24                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-26 10:12                                                                                                                       ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-07-26 10:11                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  4:52                                                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  5:18                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  6:30                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 17:06                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-27  6:08                                                                                                         ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27  6:18                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27  6:58                                                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27 18:50                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27 22:09                                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27  7:07                                                                                                             ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27 15:33                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-28  0:16                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 18:40                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-05 20:12                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 23:03                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-06  1:15                                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06  1:52                                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06  7:15                                                                                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06 13:22                                                                                                                         ` memcpy() in swsusp (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 14:19                                                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 20:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 23:36                                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 20:44                                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 20:55                                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 21:01                                                                                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-07-06 21:07                                                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 21:18                                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 22:06                                                                                                                                       ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  8:20                                                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-24  6:41                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 11:58                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 21:20                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:10                                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:13                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  3:33                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 23:53                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:33                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:00                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 11:57                                                                                           ` Jim Gettys
2006-06-25 23:03                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25 23:18                                                                                               ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-03 21:32                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-26  0:16                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:16                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 23:38                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 22:21                                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 22:31                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:11                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:19                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:21                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23  0:01                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23  0:14                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:05                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:08                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 16:26                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 20:36                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 21:48                                                                                                 ` cpufreq-related updates [WAS: Fix console handling during suspend/resume] David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:10                                                                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-23 23:54                                                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:53                                                                                                   ` Adam Belay
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:42                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:51                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 18:15                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:35                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24 22:00                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  0:57                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:05                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:12                                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:34                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:21                                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25 23:09                                                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:53                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:56                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 16:37                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 23:13                                                                                       ` suspend debuggability [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-22  5:52                                                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  6:28                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:43                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:19                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 17:18                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 17:43                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:18                                                                       ` wakeup events [WAS: Re*N Fix console handling] David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:13                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  0:42                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 22:54                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:15                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:21                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  3:23                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  5:36                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 16:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 18:27                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 20:31                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 23:48                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-23  2:41                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23 16:43                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:32                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24  3:39                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 16:19                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:20                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 22:30                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  2:35                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 21:22                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-21  4:45                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:08                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 22:51                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:48                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:21                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:18                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:08                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:24                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  1:33                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 23:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-14 23:32                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  9:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-16  0:47                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:03                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 22:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  0:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  9:11                     ` suspend-devices-not-cpu [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:39                 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:40                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-15  1:50                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  8:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:02         ` suspend/resume issue (Was: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  8:01   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  0:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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