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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:18:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200606231018.59772.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606210937090.5498@g5.osdl.org>

On Wednesday 21 June 2006 10:04 am, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> documentation. Much more important than documentation is just clear and 
> unambiguous interfaces. Right now, "suspend()" is _not_ that. It's not 
> clear and unambiguous at all, it's a muddy pit-hole of mixing different 
> things - you're supposed to do all of "freeze", "save state" and 
> "suspend")

It's messy -- I don't like pm_message_t much at all -- but it's not
as bad as you paint it.  It's _always_ correct to do everything needed
to enter STR ... fewer than 5% of today's drivers want to do anything
fancier, like avoiding disk spindown, enabling wakeup events, etc.

In fact that was true back in 2.4 kernels too.  Hardly any drivers
needed to do anything more than preparing for STR.  The extra parameter
to suspend() is only to support "advanced" PM mechanisms.

Of course that means under-featured system PM -- we still suck at
handling wakeup events -- but I figure the first milestone is getting
systems to handle STR (and STD) at all, and doing anything advanced
is a "phase 2" that not all drivers will ever reach.

- Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-23 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 348+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-13 21:30 [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 21:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add some basic resume trace facilities Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 22:10   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-13 22:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 10:25   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-13 21:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 23:20   ` David Brownell
2006-06-13 23:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:06         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14  0:18         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:29           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:29       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:28     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 11:15       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14 15:28       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:34   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 17:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 18:09         ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 18:29           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 19:13             ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 19:17               ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 21:40         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:12             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:26               ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 22:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:44                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 23:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  1:54                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15  2:48                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:39                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 14:56                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 16:14                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:26                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 18:24                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:03                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 20:28                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:43                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:31                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 23:01                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  4:15                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:26                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 23:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 16:43                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:52                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  6:02                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 16:59                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 17:51                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:09                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 17:04                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:17                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-15 22:24                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:17                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:15                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  2:50                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16  3:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:36                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16 14:03                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 15:53                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15  1:46                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  6:00                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15 16:22                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:41                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:57                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 18:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 18:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 19:19                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:30                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 20:56                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:10                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 22:20                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:41                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 13:29                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:21                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:44                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 12:49                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 13:22                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:31                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:53                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16  3:16                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  4:04                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:26                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:37                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:02                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:56                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:29                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:33                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:35                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-16  5:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:18                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:42                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 16:48                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 13:58                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 14:04                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 18:31                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 18:45                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 23:04                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-18 17:16                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 21:28                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-18 17:09                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:16                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:48                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 18:18                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-19  0:34                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-20  2:15                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-20 22:47                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-19  3:54                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:17                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:44                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  0:49                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  1:10                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  2:40                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  2:57                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  3:23                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  3:59                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  4:22                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  4:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  5:04                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 15:33                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 16:03                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 16:35                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 17:04                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 18:53                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 20:49                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:16                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:04                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:01                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:22                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:47                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  3:21                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  3:18                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  4:08                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  4:58                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:10                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:30                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 19:23                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 22:43                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 18:06                                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 19:23                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23 23:32                                                                                           ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 23:44                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:10                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:39                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:30                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:10                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:22                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  0:29                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  1:00                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  2:42                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-24  3:12                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  4:04                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:35                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  8:23                                                                                                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-25 17:15                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-26 23:30                                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2006-06-24  4:07                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 11:16                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 16:24                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24 22:28                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 22:41                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:30                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:16                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:32                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25 16:35                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:02                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25 23:56                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-26 23:31                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-24 22:39                                                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-29  0:37                                                                                                     ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  0:48                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  3:09                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  3:24                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  4:21                                                                                                             ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  6:26                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-06-29 22:58                                                                                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  9:50                                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 22:27                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 22:31                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-07-08 17:45                                                                                                                 ` PM_TRACE causing FSCK David Brownell
2006-07-06 23:27                                                                                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Dave Jones
2006-07-06 23:43                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 23:59                                                                                                                   ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  4:48                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07  8:35                                                                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 23:51                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-09 23:28                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-10  7:53                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-25 18:17                                                                                                               ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 18:29                                                                                                                 ` bus.suspend_prepare() Linus Torvalds
2006-07-25 19:17                                                                                                                   ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 22:24                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-26 10:12                                                                                                                       ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-07-26 10:11                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  4:52                                                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  5:18                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  6:30                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 17:06                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-27  6:08                                                                                                         ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27  6:18                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27  6:58                                                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27 18:50                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27 22:09                                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27  7:07                                                                                                             ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27 15:33                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-28  0:16                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 18:40                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-05 20:12                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 23:03                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-06  1:15                                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06  1:52                                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06  7:15                                                                                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06 13:22                                                                                                                         ` memcpy() in swsusp (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 14:19                                                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 20:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 23:36                                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 20:44                                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 20:55                                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 21:01                                                                                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-07-06 21:07                                                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 21:18                                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 22:06                                                                                                                                       ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  8:20                                                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-24  6:41                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 11:58                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 21:20                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:10                                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:13                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  3:33                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 23:53                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:33                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:00                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 11:57                                                                                           ` Jim Gettys
2006-06-25 23:03                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25 23:18                                                                                               ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-03 21:32                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-26  0:16                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:16                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 23:38                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 22:21                                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 22:31                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:11                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:19                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:21                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23  0:01                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23  0:14                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:05                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:08                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 16:26                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 20:36                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 21:48                                                                                                 ` cpufreq-related updates [WAS: Fix console handling during suspend/resume] David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:10                                                                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-23 23:54                                                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:53                                                                                                   ` Adam Belay
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:42                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:51                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 18:15                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:35                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24 22:00                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  0:57                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:05                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:12                                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:34                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:21                                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25 23:09                                                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:53                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:56                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 16:37                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 23:13                                                                                       ` suspend debuggability [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-22  5:52                                                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  6:28                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:43                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:19                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 17:18                                                                       ` David Brownell [this message]
2006-06-23 17:43                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:18                                                                       ` wakeup events [WAS: Re*N Fix console handling] David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:13                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  0:42                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 22:54                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:15                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:21                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  3:23                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  5:36                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 16:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 18:27                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 20:31                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 23:48                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-23  2:41                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23 16:43                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:32                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24  3:39                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 16:19                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:20                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 22:30                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  2:35                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 21:22                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-21  4:45                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:08                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 22:51                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:48                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:21                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:18                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:08                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:24                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  1:33                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 23:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-14 23:32                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  9:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-16  0:47                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:03                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 22:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  0:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  9:11                     ` suspend-devices-not-cpu [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:39                 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:40                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-15  1:50                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  8:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:02         ` suspend/resume issue (Was: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  8:01   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  0:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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