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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-pm@osdl.org, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mattia Dongili <malattia@linux.it>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] get USB suspend to work again on 2.6.17-mm1
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:38:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200606271038.40510.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060627090304.GA29199@elf.ucw.cz>

> > > > And we also need to be able to handle devices in the device tree that do
> > > > not have a suspend/resume function ...
> > >
> > > Ah, there's the rub.  If a driver doesn't have suspend/resume methods, is 
> > > it because it doesn't need them, or is it because nobody has written them 
> > > yet?  In the latter case, failing the suspend or unbinding the driver are 
> > > the only safe courses.
> > 
> > No, if it's not there, just expect that it knows what it is doing, and
> > don't fail the thing.  Unless you want to add those methods to _every_
> > driver in the kernel, and that's going to be a lot of work...

It seems reasonable to me to require that drivers have at least
stub "it's actually OK to do nothing here" suspend/resume methods.


> I believe 90% of drivers need them, anyway... Idea is that if we
> refuse the suspend, user has dmesg and did not loose his work. If we
> suspend but can't resume due to driver problems, it is slightly more
> interesting to debug, and user lost open applications.

Or as I put it earlier, a clean failure right at the "suspend/resume
method missing" point is more robust than unpredictable failures much
later (long after that actual failure points).

- Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-27 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-22 20:29 [PATCH] get USB suspend to work again on 2.6.17-mm1 Greg KH
2006-06-22 21:27 ` Jiri Slaby
2006-06-22 21:28 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-06-22 21:34 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-06-22 23:24 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 23:51   ` Greg KH
2006-06-23  2:45     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23  4:26       ` Greg KH
2006-06-23 14:28         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23  3:34     ` David Brownell
2006-06-23  4:24       ` Greg KH
2006-06-23 14:51         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23 15:38           ` David Brownell
2006-06-26 23:57           ` Greg KH
2006-06-27  2:04             ` David Brownell
2006-06-27 15:24               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-27 23:28                 ` Greg KH
2006-06-27 23:26               ` Greg KH
2006-06-27  9:03             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 17:38               ` David Brownell [this message]
2006-06-27 23:20                 ` Greg KH
2006-06-25  2:42       ` [linux-pm] " Jim Gettys
2006-06-25  4:32         ` David Brownell

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