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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Cc: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: Alternative Concept
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:19:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703141019.06641.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F7D1BC.2000700@gmail.com>

This alternative "concept" would seem to be missing a few essential
aspects.  Like proposed interfaces, for starters ...


On Wednesday 14 March 2007 3:43 am, Eugeny S. Mints wrote:
> > 
> > Would this involve replacing the clock framework, or are they going to coexist?
> 
> parameter framework would eventually replace clock framework.

That seems to be the wrong answer.  Especially since nothing has
been shown to be wrong with the clock interface; much less to be
unfixably wrong (hence justifying replacement).


> Separate clock and  
> voltage frameworks lead to code and functionality duplication and do not address 
> such things as relationship between clocks and voltages, clock/voltage/power 
> domains, etc needed for aggressive power management.

Most clocks don't have those issues.  Why penalize all clocks for
issues which only relate to a few?  Better to only do that for the
few cocks which have such additional constraints.

Plus, remember that the clock framework is an interface ... so by
definition, it has no code associated with it.  Hence no duplication
of code is possible... at least at this hand-wavey "concept" level.
Possibly a given implementation has scope for code sharing; but I
doubt it.  Code behind a given implementation of the clock interface
is invariably quite slim.

If a clock being enabled implies a power or voltage domain being active,
there's no reason that constraint shouldn't be enforced by whatever
implementation a given platform uses.

And having a generic -- basically untyped -- notion of "parameter"
seems significantly less good than having a typed notion, with
type-specific operations.  Typed notions are easier to understand,
read, and maintain.


> Basically a good way of thinking about parameter framework is that parameter 
> framework would start from existed clock framework and gradually evolve by 
> addressing voltages, relationship between clocks and voltages, domains. 
> Eventually clock framework functionality would be a part of power parameter 
> framework.

A better way would be to say that implementions of the clock interface
on a given platform can build on whatever they need to build.  That might
include a "parameter" framework, if such a thing were defined in such
a way that it became useful to such implementations.

- Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-14 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-24  1:23 [RFC] CPUFreq PowerOP integration, Intro 0/3 Eugeny S. Mints
2006-10-07  2:36 ` Alternative Concept [Was: Re: [RFC] CPUFreq PowerOP integration, Intro 0/3] Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-07  3:15   ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-08  7:16   ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-12 15:38     ` Mark Gross
2006-10-12 16:02       ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-16 21:56         ` Mark Gross
2006-10-17 21:40           ` Matthew Locke
2006-10-12 16:48       ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-12 17:12         ` Vitaly Wool
2006-10-12 17:23           ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-09 18:21   ` Mark Gross
2006-10-26  3:06     ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-12 22:43   ` Eugeny S. Mints
2006-10-13 10:55     ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-16 21:44       ` Mark Gross
2006-10-17  8:26         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-26  3:05     ` Dominik Brodowski
2007-03-13  0:57   ` Alternative Concept Matthew Locke
2007-03-13 11:08     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-13 20:34       ` Mark Gross
2007-03-14  2:30         ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-14 10:43           ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-14 17:19             ` David Brownell [this message]
2007-03-14 18:12               ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-14 18:45                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15  9:53               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 13:04                 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-16  2:21                   ` David Brownell
2007-03-16  3:56                     ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-16  6:17                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-19  2:27                         ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-19  6:07                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-16 13:06                     ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-16 18:03                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-18 20:25                         ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-19  4:04                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-20  0:03                             ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20  8:07                               ` David Brownell
2007-03-20  9:45                                 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 10:30                                   ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 12:13                                     ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-20 12:39                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 13:44                                         ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 21:03                                         ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 13:07                                     ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 13:52                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 14:58                                         ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 15:36                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 19:16                                             ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 20:45                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 22:04                                                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 22:06                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 23:29                                                     ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 15:36                                           ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 19:17                                             ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 20:17                                             ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 20:21                                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 19:58                                   ` David Brownell
2007-03-24  0:47                                     ` charging batteries from USB [was: Re: Alternative Concept] Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-24  1:17                                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-24  1:48                                         ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-24  2:35                                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 10:20                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-24  8:36                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-14  3:19       ` Alternative Concept Dominik Brodowski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-14 22:08 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-14 23:23 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15  7:25   ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-15  8:14     ` Amit Kucheria
2007-03-15 10:55       ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 10:46     ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 10:33   ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 13:21 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 13:29 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 23:07 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15 14:00 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 14:38 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 17:33 ` Woodruff, Richard
2007-03-19 14:12 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-20  7:56 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 14:26   ` Amit Kucheria
2007-03-20 15:08     ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 17:04       ` David Brownell

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