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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
Cc: Alexey Starikovskiy <alexey.y.starikovskiy@intel.com>,
	Ben Dooks <ben@simtec.co.uk>,
	linux-arm@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
	Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@de.bosch.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] implement pm_ops.valid for everybody
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:49:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070320224919.GS3545@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200703201644.59046.david-b@pacbell.net>

Hi!

> > Almost all users of pm_ops only support mem sleep, don't check in .valid
> > and don't reject any others in .prepare so users can be confused if they
> > check /sys/power/state, especially when new states are ever added.
> 
> By the way ... as a note to implementors, it should be trivial to
> implement a basic "standby" state that suspends drivers, disables
> many clocks, and probably puts DRAM into self-refresh mode, but
> uses only the wait-for-interrupt CPU lowpower mode.
> 
> A key difference between that and STR would then be that STR does
> extra magic, like switching the CPU to a slow clock and then turning
> off all the clocks that drive the chip "fast".  Also, that because
> it disables so many clocks, the SOC probably can't support as many
> types of wakeup events in STR.
> 
> I mention this because implementing such a "standby" mode means
> that all the platform drivers can start to make their suspend()
> and resume() code behave, and userspace tools can be put into
> place, before all that tricky/painful STR work gets done.  Also,
> because driver wakeup events in such a "standby" mode tend to be
> a lot more powerful ... pretty much how a driver using runtime
> PM models would work (instead of user-visible "goto sleep").

Actually, I second that. "standby" that spins down disks to protect
them for transport is very useful feature, even if it does not save
much power. (Okay, that's notebooks and high-end-zauruses with
spinning disks, but...)
								Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-20 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070320015821.782406000@sipsolutions.net>
2007-03-20  1:58 ` [PATCH] rework pm_ops pm_disk_modes foo Johannes Berg
2007-03-20  8:46   ` [PATCH v2] " Johannes Berg
2007-03-20  9:31     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20  9:36       ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-20  9:43         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20  9:46           ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-20 10:17           ` [PATCH] add firmware disk state and clean up Johannes Berg
2007-03-20 10:25             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 10:45               ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-20 11:02               ` [PATCH] remove firmware disk mode Johannes Berg
2007-03-20 13:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 11:06               ` [PATCH] implement pm_ops.valid for everybody Johannes Berg
2007-03-20 13:16                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 23:44                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 22:49                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-03-21 21:01                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-21 22:07                     ` David Brownell
2007-03-21 22:36                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-21 22:57                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-21 23:25                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-21 23:31                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-22 10:03                             ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-22 17:10                               ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 17:18                                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-22 18:13                                   ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 18:18                                     ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-21 23:32                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-20 22:59             ` [PATCH] add firmware disk state and clean up David Brownell
2007-03-20 22:09               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 23:31                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 11:48   ` [PATCH] rework pm_ops pm_disk_modes foo Johannes Berg
2007-03-22 13:44 [PATCH] implement pm_ops.valid for everybody Scott E. Preece
2007-03-22 18:29 ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 19:26   ` Tony Lindgren
2007-03-22 21:16     ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 13:15       ` tony
2007-03-23 18:25         ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 21:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-22 21:27   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-22 21:43     ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 21:56       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-22 22:42         ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 22:10       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-22 22:56         ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 23:21           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-22 23:55             ` David Brownell
2007-03-23  1:14               ` Matthew Locke
2007-03-23 13:17                 ` tony
2007-03-23 13:35                   ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-23 14:52                     ` tony
2007-03-23 15:17                       ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-23 18:51                         ` Matthew Locke
2007-03-23 19:19                           ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-23 18:29                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 19:21                   ` Matthew Locke
2007-03-23 20:11                     ` David Brownell
2007-03-23  6:46               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-23 16:15                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 21:08                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-24  0:52                     ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 13:43               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-23 17:57                 ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 20:39                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-24  0:01                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-24  0:54                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 20:01                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-24  0:41                     ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-24 20:49                     ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 21:01                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-25  1:02                         ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 21:36                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-24 22:19                         ` David Brownell
2007-03-25 10:26                       ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-25 15:20                         ` David Brownell
2007-03-25 16:23                           ` Jim Gettys
2007-03-25 16:55                             ` David Brownell
2007-03-23 18:18                 ` Matthew Locke
2007-03-24  3:08                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-24 20:04                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-22 23:29           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-22 23:44             ` David Brownell
2007-03-22 23:45             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2007-03-22 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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