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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:06:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200704040806.06367.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0704021557270.29713-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Monday 02 April 2007 1:04 pm, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, David Brownell wrote:

> > This is the kind of thing that the pm_parent relationship was (AFAICT)
> > originally supposed to handle.  Of course, it doesn't/can't, given the
> > current implementation ... that relationship is never used.
> 
> Just so.  In fact, there almost certainly are other dependencies that 
> nobody is aware of, simply because they have never had a chance to bite.

In any given system, yes there are bugs lurking.  But I was more concerned
with a provably wrong assumption made by the current framework.  Such things
cause cascading fragility.

As Thomas mentioned, HPET isn't the only place where a "linear" model fails.


> Such things can be rather difficult to pin down when they occur.  I would
> be happy enough to leave matters as they are, with a strict LIFO approach.

I wouldn't.  Much better to have a solid handle on the interdependencies
than to need to cope, long term, with a framework that doesn't allow that.

Remember also that a LIFO model assumes that there's only one sequence by
which the hardware powers up/down ... i.e. that there's no runtime PM going
on, whereby large chunks are regularly powered down/up based on usage.
Better runtime PM becomes more important as system complexity rises.

- Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 14:16 [linux-pm] [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET Alan Stern
2007-04-02 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-02 19:16 ` David Brownell
2007-04-02 20:04   ` Alan Stern
2007-04-03  5:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-04 15:06     ` David Brownell [this message]
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703160925270.26106@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-29  5:47 ` [ PATCH] Add suspend/resume for HPET was: Re: [3/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Maxim
2007-03-29 16:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 16:51     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 17:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 17:47         ` [patch, v2] add suspend/resume for HPET Ingo Molnar
2007-03-29 13:20 ` [ PATCH] Add suspend/resume for HPET was: Re: [3/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Sergei Shtylyov
2007-03-29 13:31   ` Maxim
2007-03-29 13:46     ` [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 16:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 17:28         ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 17:51         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-29 20:46           ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 18:11       ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-31 15:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:01         ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-31 16:09           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 16:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:41             ` Greg KH
2007-03-31 16:53             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 17:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-31 18:18                 ` David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <200703311118.55132.david-b@pacbell.net>
2007-03-31 19:32                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                   ` <200703311232.57505.david-b@pacbell.net>
2007-04-01  3:13                     ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-01  4:13                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-31 17:08               ` Greg KH
2007-03-31 16:56         ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-31 17:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 17:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-31 17:58               ` Daniel Walker

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