public inbox for linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:40:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200704262040.31760.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1177605074.6814.93.camel@johannes.berg>

On Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:31, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 13:30 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > > From looking at pm_ops which I was recently working with a lot, it seems
> > > that it was designed by somebody who was reading the ACPI documentation
> > > and was otherwise pretty clueless, even at that level std tries to look
> > > like suspend. IMHO that is one of the first things that should be ripped
> > > out, no pm_ops for STD, it's a pain to work with.
> > 
> > That code goes back to Patrick, AFAICT. (And yes, ACPI S3 and ACPI S4
> > low-level enter is pretty similar).
> > 
> > Patches would be welcome
> 
> That was easier than I thought. This applies on top of a patch that
> makes kernel/power/user.c optional since I had no idea how to fix it,
> problems I see:
>  * it surfaces kernel implementation details about pm_ops and thus makes
>    the whole thing very fragile

Can you elaborate?

>  * it has yet another interface (yuck) to determine whether to reboot,
>    shut down etc, doesn't use /sys/power/disk

Yes.  In fact it was meant as a replacement for /sys/power/disk at one point.

>  * I generally had no idea wtf it is doing in some places

I could have told you if you had asked. :-)

> Anyway, this patch is only compile tested, it
>  * introduces include/linux/hibernate.h with hibernate_ops and
>    a new hibernate() function to hibernate the system

Do we need hibernate_ops at all?  There's only one user anyway and I'm not
sure there will be more of them in the future.

>  * rips apart a lot of the suspend code and puts it back together using
>    the hibernate_ops
>  * switches ACPI to hibernate_ops (the only user of pm_ops.pm_disk_mode)
>  * might apply/compile against -mm, I have all my and some of Rafael's
>    suspend/hibernate work in my tree.
>  * breaks user suspend as I noted above
>  * is incomplete, somewhere pm_suspend_disk() is still defined iirc

I think I can fix it up, just give me some time.

The idea is good, I think we should do someting like this.

Greetings,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-26 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070425072350.GA6866@ucw.cz>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704251239110.8406@vaio.localdomain>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704251252070.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]     ` <20070425202741.GC17387@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found]       ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704251332090.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]         ` <20070425214420.GG17387@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found]           ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704251515140.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]             ` <1177540027.5025.87.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704251550210.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]                 ` <1177583998.6814.42.camel@johannes.berg>
     [not found]                   ` <20070426113005.GU17387@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-04-26 16:31                     ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 18:40                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-04-26 18:40                         ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                         ` <1177612802.6814.121.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-04-26 19:02                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <200704262102.38568.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-04-27  9:41                             ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                             ` <1177666915.7828.35.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-04-27 10:09                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 10:18                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                               ` <200704271218.07120.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-04-27 10:19                                 ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                 ` <1177669179.7828.53.camel@johannes.berg>
     [not found]                                   ` <200704271409.56687.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-04-27 12:07                                     ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 12:09                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 12:48                       ` [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) R. J. Wysocki
2007-04-29 12:53                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30  8:29                         ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-30 14:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-30 14:59                             ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-01 14:05                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-01 22:02                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-02  5:13                                   ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-05-02 13:42                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-02 14:11                                       ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-05-02 19:26                                         ` ACPI code in platform mode hibernation code paths (was: Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops) Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                         ` <200705022126.47897.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-05-03 22:48                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                           ` <20070503224807.GD13426@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-05-03 23:14                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 10:54                                             ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                             ` <1178276072.7408.7.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-05-04 12:08                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                               ` <20070504120802.GF13426@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-05-04 12:29                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-02  8:21                                   ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Johannes Berg
2007-05-02  9:02                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-02  9:16                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-02  9:25                                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-03 14:00                                         ` Alan Stern
2007-05-03 17:17                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-03 18:33                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-03 19:47                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-03 19:59                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-03 20:21                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 14:40                                                     ` Alan Stern
2007-05-04 20:20                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 20:21                                                         ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 20:55                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-04 21:08                                                             ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 21:15                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-04 21:53                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 21:53                                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 22:25                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 15:52                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-05-07  1:16                                                                     ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: ...) David Brownell
2007-05-07 21:00                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07 21:45                                                                         ` David Brownell
2007-05-07 22:16                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-09 19:23                                                                             ` David Brownell
2007-05-04 21:06                                                           ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 20:58                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-04 21:24                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 16:19                                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-05-05 17:46                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 21:42                                                               ` Alan Stern
2007-05-05 22:14                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 21:40                                                       ` David Brownell
2007-05-04 22:19                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07  1:05                                                           ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: ...)) David Brownell
2007-05-05 16:08                                                         ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Alan Stern
2007-05-05 17:50                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 21:43                                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-05 22:16                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07  1:31                                                           ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: ...) David Brownell
2007-05-07 16:33                                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-07 20:49                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-07 21:38                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-08  0:30                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-03 20:33                                               ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) David Brownell
2007-05-03 20:33                                           ` David Brownell
2007-05-03 20:51                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 14:51                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-04 14:56                                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 20:27                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 22:00                                               ` David Brownell
2007-05-05 15:49                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-07  1:10                                                   ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: ...)) David Brownell
2007-05-07 18:46                                                     ` Alan Stern
2007-05-07 21:29                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07 22:22                                                         ` Alan Stern
2007-05-07 22:47                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-08 14:56                                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-08 19:59                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-08 21:26                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-09  8:17                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-09 15:21                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-09 19:35                                                               ` David Brownell
2007-05-09 20:04                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-09 20:21                                                                   ` David Brownell
2007-05-10 15:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2007-05-09 21:07                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-07 21:43                                                       ` David Brownell
2007-05-07 22:41                                                         ` Alan Stern
2007-05-03 22:18                                           ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Pavel Machek
2007-05-04 14:57                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-04 20:50                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 20:49                                                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 21:11                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 21:23                                                     ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 21:55                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-04 21:54                                                         ` Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 22:21                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 15:37                                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-05-05 18:49                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 21:44                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-05 22:36                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-06 22:01                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2007-05-06 22:31                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07  1:37                                                                       ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: ..) David Brownell
2007-05-08  2:57                                                                         ` Greg KH
2007-05-07  8:51                                                                 ` Re: [PATCH] swsusp: do not use pm_ops (was: Re: suspend2 merge (was: Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Johannes Berg
2007-05-04 22:12                                                         ` David Brownell
2007-05-04 22:31                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-05 16:15                                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-05-02 13:43                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200704262040.31760.rjw@sisk.pl \
    --to=rjw@sisk.pl \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=arjan@infradead.org \
    --cc=efault@gmx.de \
    --cc=johannes@sipsolutions.net \
    --cc=kernel@kolivas.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=mingo@elte.hu \
    --cc=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net \
    --cc=npiggin@suse.de \
    --cc=pavel@ucw.cz \
    --cc=suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox