From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:42:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707041242.59552.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18059.5690.908102.273897@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
On Wednesday, 4 July 2007 05:38, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> Rafael J. Wysocki writes:
>
> > Now, please tell me how many driver writers even thought that something
> > might try to access their devices after .suspend() had been executed (or
> > even whilie it was being executed)?
>
> Well, I believe that the USB framework copes with this, except
> possibly for some corner cases like the example that Alan Stern
> posted. The fact that powerbooks suspend and resume without the
> freezer implies that the IDE framework, the console code and the
> framebuffer code cope correctly (though possibly not all chipset
> drivers).
Okay, so in fact you don't know.
And that's my point in this thread.
I won't fight for the freezer for what it's worth, but let's do things in the
_right_ _order_. For example, let's make sure that by making the $subject
change we won't introduce (too many) regressions and fix the frameworks
that don't get it right.
Using the problems with FUSE as an argument for making this change immediately
doesn't seem to be right to me.
> So I think that a lot of the frameworks already get it right. Of
> course the quality of the low-level chipset drivers has always been
> pretty variable. :)
Yes, but that's another issue.
Greetings,
Rafael
--
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth
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2007-07-03 21:16 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707031713530.8010-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 22:21 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707031814440.8010-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-03 22:42 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <200707032337.52544.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 21:36 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070703213639.GA29149@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 21:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:38 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.5690.908102.273897@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 10:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-07-04 10:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707041325.55779.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-04 11:34 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 12:41 ` Theodore Tso
[not found] ` <20070704124133.GA5836@thunk.org>
2007-07-04 14:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <E1I63Nv-0006Z9-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-04 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 14:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 15:03 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707041703.21808.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-04 15:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707041717.05149.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 0:29 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18060.15209.274437.471074@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-05 12:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 15:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 0:36 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <E1I6ATN-0007QS-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-04 21:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 8:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6Mq2-0008WB-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051439.37737.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 16:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <468D17FA.8040201@goop.org>
2007-07-05 17:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 0:43 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18060.16064.519060.755991@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-05 12:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <18060.15630.812698.367707@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
[not found] ` <200707051451.38497.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 12:50 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1183639825.3818.38.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-07-05 13:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:25 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <18059.34264.421573.246262@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 14:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-04 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:07 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <200707082046.36864.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-08 20:22 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707081619090.11049-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-08 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183929708.3388.306.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-09 6:52 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707090852.03429.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-09 9:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 11:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <1183871941.3388.286.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-08 20:17 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707072218030.10912-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-08 4:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 18:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707072224270.10912-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-08 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183871661.3388.282.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-08 5:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 19:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:16 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707081517540.11049-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-08 21:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 21:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <1183929611.3388.303.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-08 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707090006.32712.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-09 0:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 0:57 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <FFA29D56-3400-4EA3-8CE8-C1EF75484510@mac.com>
2007-07-09 1:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:47 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707090847.43378.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-09 9:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 9:23 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707091123.57400.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-09 9:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 14:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-09 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 10:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 16:03 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <200707082115.27363.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-08 21:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707082345.27859.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-08 21:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] <1183855732.3388.240.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-08 2:53 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707071255590.26860-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-08 0:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] <1183781219.3388.225.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-07 17:19 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707062210470.7605-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-07 4:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707061034540.3737-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-07 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 0:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 16:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183855362.3388.233.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-08 2:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 18:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <EAA83A3B-1534-458B-A6F8-D090D670D4E7@mac.com>
2007-07-07 2:59 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707061114190.3737-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-07 0:43 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707051023520.3728-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-05 17:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:43 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <20070703224215.GA30081@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-04 14:38 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707041030540.25704-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-04 14:58 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070704145818.GA7784@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-04 15:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 15:57 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <fa.ftLWBLCc+XqdYjiuxoPg+qyuUOE@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.Oxrm8HYXTOF4jv5LrTjEe16lCE0@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.d3GOse+YbAb42uYwLymWkJiH9Fw@ifi.uio.no>
2007-07-04 0:17 ` Robert Hancock
[not found] ` <468AE700.7080102@shaw.ca>
2007-07-04 0:34 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070704003424.GA30958@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-04 10:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <20070703202329.GA27927@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 21:10 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707031708080.8010-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-03 21:12 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] <20070703042916.GA17240@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 4:54 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707031454.42078.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070703052130.GA17605@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183441706.10386.73.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707031608.06348.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183447184.10386.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031456.40890.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183497290.3388.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707032332.49694.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183498555.3388.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 9:30 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705093013.GA3228@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183675615.3388.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-05 23:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060913.05644.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183677643.3388.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-05 23:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060935.12706.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-06 1:19 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <CF60EC03-0171-4052-924D-57555A393168@mac.com>
2007-07-06 1:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183694347.3388.114.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-06 7:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 9:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-06 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-06 3:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183694055.3388.108.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-06 4:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707061403.15932.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-06 4:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 5:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 5:01 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <CF605B91-2425-4FC2-9434-5F8877EEEEEB@mac.com>
2007-07-06 5:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 2:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707101207.16711.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-10 3:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-05 0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 5:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 5:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 7:37 ` Romano Giannetti
[not found] ` <200707030813.53481.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070703121313.GA21318@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 13:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <1183441748.10386.75.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <1183441887.10386.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 13:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031508.45595.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 15:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031709.29968.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 17:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 20:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183498518.3388.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 23:39 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070704233909.GB2719@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 6:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 18:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 19:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:48 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707032348.42796.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 21:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183499792.3388.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:04 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707040004.16357.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183504112.3388.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-04 8:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 23:45 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070704234523.GC2719@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 12:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051425.07904.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 12:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707052238.27889.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 13:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051535.46196.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 13:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707052336.27585.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 13:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051559.58479.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 21:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060749.08665.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
[not found] ` <200707060940.23248.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-06 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6iPL-0003Hj-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-06 7:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 9:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 7:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 19:27 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070703192729.GA2125@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-03 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183448224.12649.14.camel@localhost>
2007-07-03 8:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 16:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 16:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 17:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:33 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:54 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 23:33 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 4:29 Matthew Garrett
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