From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
johannes@sipsolutions.net, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: malicious filesystems (was Re: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:33:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070707233315.GB3820@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1I7H6v-0006pf-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
Hi!
> > We can just wait for all fuse requests to be serviced before
> > proceeding further with freeze, right?
>
> Right. Nice way to slow down or stop the suspend with an unprivileged
> process. Avoiding that sort of DoS is one of the design goals of
> fuse.
So you want me to handle _malicious_ filesystems now?
That should be easy... :-). You already have nasty deadlocks in FUSE,
and you solve them by "root can echo 1 > abort"... so allow me the
same possibility.
We can tell fused we are freezing, and if all the requests are not
serviced within, say, 30 seconds, we call the filesystem malicious and
do echo 1 > abort.
Not ideal, but neither is allowing malicious filesystems in the first
place...
> Look at it this way: the task of the freezer is to stop new I/O
> hitting the hardware. But it is totally indiscriminate about what it
> stops, it tries to stop _everything_ even things which have nothing to
> do with hardware.
>
> Not nice.
Not nice, but we don't know any better for now. "Just fix all the
drivers" basically means "just fix 90% of kernel".
Pavel
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[not found] <20070703042916.GA17240@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 4:54 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707031454.42078.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070703052130.GA17605@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183441706.10386.73.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707031608.06348.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183447184.10386.102.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 7:44 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707030944.18702.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 10:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I5fug-0003ZS-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-03 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707031307.41366.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I5gSu-0003f4-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-03 11:27 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707031327.56577.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 11:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183463113.10386.114.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 11:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707031355.51028.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 23:40 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18058.56956.595143.15424@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 7:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 8:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I60CR-00066n-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-04 10:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <18058.12724.163599.707035@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-03 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18058.55215.185633.434117@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 8:11 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707041011.33279.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-04 8:27 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.23015.860618.268754@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 8:39 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707041039.30015.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-04 9:21 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.26259.765791.62319@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 10:08 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707041208.40735.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-04 10:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:59 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.32169.906914.258802@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 11:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 14:44 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031456.40890.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 14:21 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1183472474.3722.13.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-07-03 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:59 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1183474748.3722.33.camel@johannes.berg>
2007-07-03 15:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:21 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707031609070.7671-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-04 4:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:57 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707041045150.25704-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-05 0:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707050858.03638.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6MWb-0008Tq-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707051024.23528.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 8:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6Mtu-000058-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 8:48 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707051048.46202.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 8:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6NAH-00008t-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 10:02 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707051202.59375.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 10:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051340.41901.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051523.44826.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707051528.34754.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20070705134632.GA22177@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-05 14:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051609.25887.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070705142318.GA22598@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-05 14:46 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-05 14:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <2c0942db0707050746v2b8cdc9ew2c4656736b52895d@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-05 15:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 16:06 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 5:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2007-07-05 22:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705091801.GB3084@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 9:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6NgZ-0000F6-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 11:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20070705115400.GF3984@ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 19:38 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707052138.56920.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 19:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6XFM-0001ek-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:49 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707052249.45495.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-05 20:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <200707052220.00555.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 20:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 23:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-07 12:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 23:33 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-07-08 7:21 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 12:37 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20070708123748.GB3866@ucw.cz>
2007-07-08 13:58 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 16:23 ` David Brownell
2007-07-08 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 18:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707082008.57879.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-08 18:28 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 19:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707082307.15616.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-09 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 9:36 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707091136.33581.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-09 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 16:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070712153112.GB5139@ucw.cz>
2007-07-12 21:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 23:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <200707051358.26963.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 12:24 ` Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051531.37532.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 13:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6RjE-0000pP-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051614.19300.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 22:04 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705220444.GD3881@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-06 7:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 3:55 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 14:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:48 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183497290.3388.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707032332.49694.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183498555.3388.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:29 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.5165.861038.392332@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 10:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:48 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18059.31464.183382.358931@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-04 11:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707041310.11336.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-04 11:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707041630.30048.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 0:15 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18060.14341.341604.666867@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 22:19 ` The big suspend mess Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20070704221952.GM3492@stusta.de>
2007-07-05 0:27 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705002747.GA2952@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 0:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <18060.16657.2143.11489@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-05 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705093251.GB3228@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 10:29 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-05 10:32 ` Fabio Comolli
[not found] ` <20070705012206.GN3492@stusta.de>
2007-07-05 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 9:30 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705093013.GA3228@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183675615.3388.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-05 23:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060913.05644.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183677643.3388.105.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-05 23:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060935.12706.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-06 1:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 3:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183694055.3388.108.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-06 4:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707061403.15932.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-06 4:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 5:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 5:01 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <CF605B91-2425-4FC2-9434-5F8877EEEEEB@mac.com>
2007-07-06 5:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 2:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707101207.16711.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-10 3:03 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <CF60EC03-0171-4052-924D-57555A393168@mac.com>
2007-07-06 1:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183694347.3388.114.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-06 7:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 9:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-06 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:03 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070705000301.GE2719@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 0:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 5:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 5:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707030813.53481.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070703121313.GA21318@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-03 13:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 7:37 ` Romano Giannetti
[not found] ` <1183448224.12649.14.camel@localhost>
2007-07-03 8:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <1183441748.10386.75.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <1183441887.10386.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 13:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031508.45595.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 15:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707031709.29968.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-03 17:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 20:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183498518.3388.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 23:39 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070704233909.GB2719@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 6:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 18:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 19:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:02 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:45 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <E1I5oq4-0004sc-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:48 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707032348.42796.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 21:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183499792.3388.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-03 22:04 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707040004.16357.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-03 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1183504112.3388.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-07-04 8:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 23:45 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070704234523.GC2719@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-05 12:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051425.07904.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 12:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707052238.27889.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 13:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051535.46196.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 13:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707052336.27585.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-05 13:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707051559.58479.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-05 21:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707060749.08665.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
[not found] ` <200707060940.23248.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-06 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1I6iPL-0003Hj-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-06 7:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 9:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 7:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 19:27 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070703192729.GA2125@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-03 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 16:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 16:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 17:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:33 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:54 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 23:33 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200707031456.36027.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-09 13:29 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock (was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070709132905.GA5212@ucw.cz>
2007-07-11 13:28 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070711132819.GA5753@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-12 9:17 ` Pavel Machek
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