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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:38:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707121438.42590.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070711172243.ab44c4d4.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Thursday, 12 July 2007 02:22, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:30:31 +0000
> "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kexec base hibernation has some potential advantages over uswsusp and
> > suspend2. Some most obvious advantages are:
> > 
> > 1. The hibernation image size can exceed half of memory size easily.
> > 2. The hibernation image can be written to and read from almost
> >    anywhere, such as USB disk, NFS.
> > 
> > This patch implements the functionality of "jumping from kexeced
> > kernel to original kernel". That is, the following sequence is
> > possible:
> > 
> > 1. Boot a kernel A
> > 2. Work under kernel A
> > 3. Kexec another kernel B in kernel A
> > 4. Work under kernel B
> > 5. Jump from kernel B to kernel A
> > 6. Continue work under kernel A
> > 
> > This is the first step to implement kexec based hibernation. If the
> > memory image of kernel A is written to or read from a permanent media
> > in step 4, a preliminary version of kexec based hibernation can be
> > implemented.
> > 
> > The kernel B is run as a crashdump kernel in reserved memory
> > region. This is the biggest constrains of the patch. It is planed to
> > be eliminated in the next version. That is, instead of reserving memory
> > region previously, the needed memory region is backuped before kexec
> > and restored after jumping back.
> > 
> > Another constrains of the patch is that the CONFIG_ACPI must be turned
> > off to make kexec jump work. Because ACPI will put devices into low
> > power state, the kexeced kernel can not be booted properly under
> > it. This constrains can be eliminated by separating the suspend method
> > and hibernation method of the devices as proposed earlier in the LKML.
> > 
> > The kexec jump is implemented in the framework of software suspend. In
> > fact, the kexec based hibernation can be seen as just implementing the
> > image writing and reading method of software suspend with a kexeced
> > Linux kernel.
> > 
> > Now, only the i386 architecture is supported. The patch is based on
> > Linux kernel 2.6.22, and has been tested on my IBM T42.
> 
> This sounds awesome.  Am I correct in expecting that ultimately the
> existing hibernation implementation just goes away and we reuse (and hence
> strengthen) the existing kexec (and kdump?) infrastructure?

Well, I haven't had the time to look at it more closely, but I'd assume that if
we can reuse the kexec infrastructure for hibernation, then yes, the existing
implementation will go away.

> And that we get hibernation support almost for free on all kexec (and
> relocatable-kernel?) capable architectures?

We should be able to, in theory.

> And that all the management of hibernation and resume happens in userspace?

I'm not sure what you mean here.

The image saving/loading certainly can be done in the user space.

> I didn't understand the ACPI problem.  Does this mean that CONFIG_ACPI must
> be disabled in the to-be-hibernated kernel, or in the little transient
> kexec kernel?

I think that this mechanism requires that devices be not suspended (ie. in low
power states).

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-12 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-11 15:30 [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation Huang, Ying
2007-07-11 11:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12  0:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-12  5:48   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-12 12:38   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-07-12 14:43   ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]   ` <1184251423.9346.55.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-12  7:03     ` david
2007-07-12 12:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 16:32     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707112345250.28090@asgard.lang.hm>
     [not found]       ` <1184260683.9346.91.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-12 10:10         ` david
2007-07-12 13:01           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]           ` <200707121501.03016.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 13:22             ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-12 19:03             ` david
2007-07-12 13:55           ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 19:05             ` david
2007-07-12 14:06           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 17:18       ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]     ` <200707121453.49616.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 18:57       ` david
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707121150460.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-12 19:34         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]         ` <200707122134.29991.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 19:55           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13  3:06           ` david
2007-07-13  5:42             ` Hibernating To Swap Considered Harmful Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13  5:57               ` david
2007-07-13  6:20                 ` Joseph Fannin
     [not found]                 ` <20070713062039.GA29055@nineveh.local>
2007-07-13  6:27                   ` david
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707122319270.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-13  7:15                     ` Joseph Fannin
     [not found]                     ` <20070713071512.GB29055@nineveh.local>
2007-07-13 14:35                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
     [not found]                       ` <87odig1idx.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17  0:12                         ` Joseph Fannin
     [not found]                         ` <20070717001239.GB20082@nineveh.local>
2007-07-17  5:44                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                           ` <200707170744.08191.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-17  6:28                             ` Joseph Fannin
     [not found]                             ` <20070717062803.GA9069@nineveh.local>
2007-07-17  6:42                               ` david
2007-07-17  7:26                                 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-17  7:34                                   ` david
2007-07-17 11:52                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707170030460.19248@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 11:54                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  7:10                               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-13  9:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]               ` <200707131130.51279.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-14  0:45                 ` Joseph Fannin
     [not found]                 ` <20070714004517.GA18336@nineveh.local>
2007-07-14  9:48                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                   ` <200707141148.18279.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-16  5:37                     ` Joseph Fannin
2007-07-13  9:29             ` [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]             ` <200707131129.34974.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-13  9:38               ` david
2007-07-13 11:59                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 14:37                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 15:12                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
     [not found]                   ` <87abu01gnv.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-13 15:45                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                     ` <200707131745.43055.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-13 15:50                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 16:48                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-13 21:23                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14  7:12                   ` david
     [not found]             ` <1184347974.4523.30.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-13 12:01               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13 17:32             ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]           ` <877ip54cti.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-12 20:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13  3:12             ` david
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707122008550.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-13  9:17               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-13  9:25                 ` david
2007-07-13 11:41                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                   ` <200707131341.35801.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-14  7:51                     ` david
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707140017560.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-14  8:33                       ` david
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707140128210.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-14  9:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:00                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 20:34                         ` david
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707141257290.14672@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-14 21:06                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <200707142306.33783.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-14 21:13                             ` david
2007-07-15 10:31                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                               ` <200707151231.27410.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 19:23                                 ` david
2007-07-15 22:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                   ` <200707160059.08277.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 23:22                                     ` david
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707151549200.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-16 12:17                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                       ` <200707161417.50166.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-16 14:42                                         ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]                                         ` <1184596950.24143.28.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-16 15:40                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                           ` <200707161740.26703.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17  4:18                                             ` david
2007-07-17 11:46                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 21:34                         ` david
2007-07-15 10:39                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <200707151239.28400.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 19:33                             ` david
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707151224160.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-15 23:11                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                               ` <200707160111.16805.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 23:33                                 ` david
     [not found]     ` <m14pk9fuqa.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-07-12 19:09       ` david
2007-07-12 19:49         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <1184368525.1069.68.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-13 16:43         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <m1k5t4dzl4.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-07-14  5:48           ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]           ` <1184392129.1898.69.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-14  9:59             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-14 10:55               ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]               ` <1184410554.1898.84.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-14 19:16                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                 ` <200707142116.10237.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15  9:30                   ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]                   ` <1184491804.1898.121.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-15 10:49                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  8:13                     ` david
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707170101010.19248@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 11:59                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 12:48                       ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]                       ` <1184676518.10998.34.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-17 14:22                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-18  0:25                           ` david
2007-07-13 23:15       ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]   ` <4695C096.5080400@goop.org>
2007-07-12  6:43     ` david
2007-07-12 12:46       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]       ` <200707121446.14170.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 13:51         ` Mark Lord
     [not found]         ` <469631FA.2070405@rtr.ca>
2007-07-12 14:49           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 15:35           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]           ` <200707121735.40077.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 16:03             ` Mark Lord
     [not found]             ` <469650DE.4000901@rtr.ca>
2007-07-12 16:35               ` Mark Lord
     [not found]               ` <46965837.8030907@rtr.ca>
2007-07-12 20:05                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
     [not found]                 ` <87y7hl2xro.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-13  2:38                   ` Mark Lord
2007-07-12 16:09           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-12 18:49           ` david
2007-07-12 18:42         ` david
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707121138140.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
     [not found]           ` <200707122120.19662.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-12 19:14             ` david
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707121210210.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-12 19:45               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 19:20           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <1184260174.9346.85.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-12 12:47       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 17:09     ` Huang, Ying
     [not found] ` <20070711111350.GI7091@elf.ucw.cz>
     [not found]   ` <1184257734.9346.76.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-12  8:54     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20070712085428.GA1866@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-13 23:18       ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-12 16:28   ` Huang, Ying
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707131146340.2555-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-13 16:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-13 18:15   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-13 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707131402001.2684-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-13 21:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found] <200707151249.26148.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-24 14:00 ` Huang, Ying
     [not found] <9D7649D18729DE4BB2BD7B494F7FEDC236CF66@pdsmsx415.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2007-07-24 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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