From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Cc: david@lang.hm, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Hibernation considerations
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:45:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707172345.43574.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871wf6g1q1.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
On Tuesday, 17 July 2007 23:27, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> david@lang.hm writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> How do you guarantee that no tasks are scheduled when you get back to the
> >> hibernated kernel?
>
> > just don't schedule any userspace tasks. all you need to do is to execute the
> > ACPI sleep functions. you normally do that after stopping userspace
> > anyway.
>
> What does "stopping userspace" mean? You already said it does not mean
> disabling interrupts. But using the freezer is also not an option,
> since the avoidance of that is the main reason for the kexec approach in
> the first place.
>
> [snip]
>
> >> Well, not exactly. If your battery runs out of power while you're suspended,
> >> but you have the image saved, it's still better to restore from the image,
> > even
> >> if something may not work correctly after the restore, than to risk a loss of
> >> data.
>
> > if things don't work correctly you are still risking the loss of data, the user
> > just doesn't know it.
>
> It should be possible on any system to do a hibernate followed by a
> shutdown (and then resume properly, without any problems). Thus, for
> handling suspend to both, you resume as if the system had been shutdown,
> rather than resuming as if the system came from S4.
Exactly.
Greetings,
Rafael
--
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth
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2007-07-17 20:17 ` Hibernation considerations Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 22:38 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <200707172217.01890.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 20:34 ` david
2007-07-17 20:54 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87fy3mg39r.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:04 ` david
[not found] ` <200707172323.51702.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 21:17 ` david
[not found] ` <871wf6g1q1.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-07-17 21:27 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87odiag45q.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
[not found] ` <200707151433.34625.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 12:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-15 12:58 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <200707151810.33554.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-15 15:35 ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-15 16:29 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <469A3EB9.8000304@gmail.com>
2007-07-15 17:40 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <469A8515.3080109@gmx.de>
2007-07-15 19:46 ` david
2007-07-15 20:13 ` david
[not found] ` <200707160047.28420.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 22:42 ` david
2007-07-15 23:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707160122.09840.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 23:49 ` david
2007-07-16 12:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 12:38 ` Jim Crilly
2007-07-16 15:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707161729.16440.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 4:28 ` david
2007-07-17 10:42 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070717104231.GA32486@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-17 15:19 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707170818460.19248@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-18 2:18 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070718021817.GA13502@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-18 3:54 ` david
2007-07-18 11:10 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070718111016.GA18716@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-18 12:56 ` david
2007-07-15 22:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 20:35 ` Cornelius Riemenschneider
[not found] ` <20070715125855.GA1737@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <200707160038.12943.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 22:27 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707151526080.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 17:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070717174044.GA11212@gallifrey>
2007-07-17 17:49 ` david
2007-07-29 6:53 ` Vojtech Pavlik
[not found] ` <20070729065352.GB17084@suse.cz>
2007-07-29 9:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 19:56 ` encrypted hibernation (was Re: Hibernation considerations) Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070805195628.GA1947@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-08-11 23:43 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070811234356.GA19183@gallifrey>
2007-08-12 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-13 2:30 ` Michael Chang
[not found] ` <b14e81f00708121930n7d9eab99r6fa776120c6287c1@mail.gmail.com>
2007-08-13 4:53 ` alon.barlev
[not found] ` <200708130012.27412.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-08-18 19:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070818193733.GC16635@gallifrey>
2007-08-21 7:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-15 22:38 ` Hibernation considerations Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 0:51 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070716005135.GB8140@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-16 0:51 ` david
[not found] ` <200707172320.16279.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 14:01 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 14:48 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-20 15:48 ` david
2007-07-22 2:17 ` Huang, Ying
[not found] ` <1185070634.3517.11.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-22 2:32 ` david
2007-07-20 21:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <ea7a437ca4038d408ac544bbc3c2434a@bga.com>
[not found] ` <200707192228.05136.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 16:08 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 16:20 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 17:32 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 18:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 20:31 ` david
2007-07-20 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:34 ` david
2007-07-20 21:37 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201428080.5166@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-20 22:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 11:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1ICDNw-0008HC-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-21 12:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707212243.35602.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-21 13:56 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-21 16:13 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87lkd9ohtn.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-21 18:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 19:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707212120.04645.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-08-01 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070801092227.GB4808@ucw.cz>
2007-08-02 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-02 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2007-08-01 9:19 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707191542430.28721@asgard.lang.hm>
[not found] ` <200707201317.58025.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 16:56 ` Milton Miller
[not found] ` <f29402c6050f9c3ff5d83a59cea2de58@bga.com>
2007-07-20 17:31 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 19:26 ` david
2007-07-20 21:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87ejj2pxoc.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-20 22:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:37 ` david
2007-07-17 20:56 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87bqeag369.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:06 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707171404330.2467@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 21:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707171835560.8690-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-17 22:37 ` david
2007-07-18 14:29 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-18 14:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707181647.32620.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 4:40 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <200707200740.38158.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-20 10:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707161045520.3410-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-16 16:51 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <200707161951.35225.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-17 4:37 ` david
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707161013440.3410-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-16 15:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707151633240.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-16 14:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 4:45 ` david
2007-07-17 14:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 14:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707171640.39955.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 15:29 ` david
2007-07-17 16:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707171802.30903.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 17:06 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707170959160.2467@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707172150.44417.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 20:18 ` david
2007-07-17 20:39 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:53 ` david
2007-07-17 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707172337.24683.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 21:42 ` david
2007-07-17 21:53 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87k5syg3yi.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 20:39 ` david
2007-07-17 20:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 10:25 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070721102520.GE1902@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-21 15:35 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 17:56 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070721175639.GA3701@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-21 19:35 ` david
2007-07-21 19:49 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070721194906.GC3701@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-07-21 22:14 ` david
2007-08-01 16:58 ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-07-17 20:24 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:44 ` david
2007-07-17 21:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 16:09 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 18:32 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <87hco3ypt5.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 19:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] <200707160938.16037.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-16 14:15 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707151918340.30402-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-15 23:58 ` david
2007-07-16 5:02 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <200707160802.46567.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-16 6:49 ` david
2007-07-16 13:32 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <200707161632.02334.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-17 4:33 ` david
2007-07-17 12:08 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <200707171508.06921.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-17 14:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 15:23 ` david
2007-07-16 14:53 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707151915570.28934-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-15 23:53 ` david
2007-07-16 5:18 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707151914450.28934-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-15 23:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-15 23:41 ` david
[not found] <200707152040.33836.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-15 23:28 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707151220570.24011-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-15 17:40 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-15 19:52 ` david
2007-07-15 12:33 Rafael J. Wysocki
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