From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
Andres Salomon <dilinger@debian.org>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH -mm 3/3] Freezer: Replace the timeout
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:38:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708060038.01938.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070805213728.GA30770@elf.ucw.cz>
On Sunday, 5 August 2007 23:37, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > What happens on loaded ext3 filesystem, for example? Bunch of userland tasks
> > > will wait on data to be synced to disk, taking more than second, no?
> >
> > IMHO this only is a question of what the value of MAX_WAITS should be.
> > [I took 5 because it turned to be enough in my testing, but that could be 10 or
> > more.]
> >
> > The point is that in 99.(9)% of cases the 20s timeout is unnecessary, because:
> > (1) most often we succeed within 1s
> > (2) if we are going to fail, we can say that we'll fail way before the 20s
> > expires.
>
> Well, I've just reproduced 10seconds and 17seconds
> time-to-freeze. Okay, I did
>
> make clean; time make -j 350
>
> on kernel (2GB machine). Can you try with something similary evil?
I tested with 'make -j 100'. More than that just makes the machine
unresponsive.
> > Anyway, eventually, I'd like the freezer to detect failures relatively early,
> > so the user won't have to wait 20s each time it's going to fail.
>
> It should not fail ;-). And failures are _really_ rare these days. Is
> 20second wait in case of kernel bug that bad? (FUSE case _is_ a kernel
> bug, I'm just not sure how to solve it. It is still rare.)
Well, not very bad, but still. Perhaps we should use a progress meter of
some kind to let the user know that something's going on. ;-)
Greetings,
Rafael
--
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-05 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-25 12:01 [RFC][PATCH -mm 0/2] Freezer: Use wait queue instead of busy looping Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-25 12:03 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 1/2] Freezer: Be more verbose Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-25 12:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-25 12:09 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 2/2] Freezer: Use wait queue instead of busy looping Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-25 12:28 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-25 12:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-25 13:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-25 14:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-25 14:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-26 12:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-26 12:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-31 8:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 9:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-31 10:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 10:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-31 10:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-31 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 22:25 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 0/3] Freezer: Use wait queue instead of busy looping (updated) Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-31 22:26 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 1/3] Freezer: Use wait queue instead of busy looping Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01 7:59 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 22:28 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 2/3] Freezer: Measure the time of freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01 8:28 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 22:29 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 3/3] Freezer: Replace the timeout Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01 8:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-01 10:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-05 22:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-08-05 22:53 ` Pavel Machek
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