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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>
Cc: linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	teheo@novell.com
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Power management for SCSI
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:50:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080814135021.GE2262@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200808131821.30564.oneukum@suse.de>

On Wed 2008-08-13 18:21:29, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 13 August 2008 17:44:46 schrieb Alan Stern:
> > > All children that are USB must be powered down. We know in fact that most
> > > drives don't care that the device is suspended. The problem was drive
> > > enclosures that cut power upon suspension losing cached data.
> > 
> > You misunderstood my question.  Are there SCSI transports other than
> > USB sharing the requirement that all child devices must be suspended
> > before the link can be powered down?
> 
> I dispute that USB in general has this property. Some storage devices
> need their caches flushed. USB itself is perfectly happy with autosuspending
> the storage device (host) without telling the disks (devices)
> 
> You could even argue that these storage devices violate the USB spec.

Hmm... but suspended devices have very little power budget, right?

So unless you have external power supply (2.5" frames generally
don't), you can't really suspend and stay spinned up...

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-14 13:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-13  9:50 Power management for SCSI Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 14:31 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 14:47   ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-13 14:59     ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 15:21       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-13 15:44         ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 16:14           ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-13 16:23             ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 16:21           ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2008-08-13 19:34             ` Alan Stern
2008-08-14  6:08               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-14 15:40                 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-14 13:50             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-08-14 14:08               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-14 15:47                 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-14 21:43                   ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-14 22:25                     ` Alan Stern
2008-08-15  7:16                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-15 15:25                         ` Alan Stern
2008-08-15 15:56                           ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-16  5:24                             ` Greg KH
2008-08-19 13:33                           ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2008-08-19 15:28                             ` Alan Stern
2008-08-19 23:22                               ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-22 10:52                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-22 22:14                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-25 12:50                               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-25 14:45                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-25 15:05                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-25 16:18                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-08-25 17:34                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-25 18:39                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 15:24       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-13 15:44         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-13 16:25           ` Oliver Neukum
2008-08-13 19:37             ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 19:42               ` James Bottomley
2008-08-13 20:16                 ` Alan Stern
2008-08-13 20:03               ` Leisner, Martin
2008-08-13 20:38                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-08-19 21:08                   ` Leisner, Martin
2008-08-13 15:46         ` Alan Stern
2008-08-14 13:08   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 15:56     ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 22:11     ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-19  7:38   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-19  7:50     ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2008-08-19 14:32     ` Alan Stern

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