From: Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: ncunningham@crca.org.au, u.luckas@road.de,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 06:04:04 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090208140404.GA22084@bulgaria.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200902081450.46584.rjw@sisk.pl>
["Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>]
>
> Just to make things crystal clear, in fact I don't like any patches in this
> series.
>
> The wakelocks seem to be overdesigned to me and the "early suspend" thing
> doesn't really fit our suspend-resume framework, especially after the changes
> made recently to the PCI PM code (and the changes that are going to be made
> to it shortly).
Out of curiosity, do these changes provide a model where the system can
be in suspend 99+% of the time, waking up for specific events
(voice/data telephony, user interaction, etc), and rapidly returning to
suspend when the processing required is complete? That's the larger
goal that the wakelock design seeks to accomplish, which is working
pretty well for us in shipping mobile devices.
Being in suspend, where periodic user and kernel timers aren't running,
and random userspace threads aren't possibly spinning, rather than just
being in idle in the lowest power possible state, represent a pretty
significant power savings.
None of the hardware we're working with has a PCI bus, or ACPI, or much
of any traditional desktop/server pc features, which may account for
some of the difference in outlook and approach here.
Brian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-08 14:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-05 2:50 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 13/13] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:08 ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:06 ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:03 ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:37 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:54 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 2:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:53 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 8:55 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:30 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 3:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-06 0:35 ` mark gross
2009-02-05 8:53 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 8:52 ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:25 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-06 0:18 ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api mark gross
2009-02-07 22:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 2:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-08 13:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:17 ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 10:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 13:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 14:04 ` Brian Swetland [this message]
2009-02-08 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 1:58 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 0:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 0:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 1:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 1:53 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-09 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 13:31 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 11:19 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 3:07 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 22:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 9:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-12 11:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-08 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 21:40 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-08 23:00 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:03 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 0:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 2:11 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09 2:24 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 2:56 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 0:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-10 9:13 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 14:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:41 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:31 ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:16 ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 15:24 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-06 0:10 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 0:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 0:33 ` mark gross
2009-02-07 0:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 18:00 ` mark gross
2009-02-10 20:24 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 2:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:14 ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 23:26 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 9:33 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 23:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 20:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 23:34 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 20:59 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:11 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-06 0:28 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 9:45 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-08 21:30 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 9:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:17 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:14 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 11:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 3:12 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 1:49 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api. ) Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 11:17 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock?api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 12:10 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:14 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 13:20 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:42 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 12:35 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 1:32 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api mark gross
2009-02-05 22:51 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 0:13 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 20:25 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 2:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 4:47 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-11 8:40 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-11 14:58 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 15:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 22:57 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 22:05 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 23:55 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 18:47 ` mark gross
2009-02-07 18:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 23:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 0:20 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 21:21 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 0:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 0:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 2:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 23:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 22:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-12 23:42 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 1:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 2:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-13 2:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-13 3:17 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 10:55 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 14:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:24 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 14:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:46 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 15:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 22:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-13 16:46 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:13 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 19:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 19:35 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 16:49 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:18 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 13:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:07 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 13:53 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-03 14:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 13:41 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:00 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:13 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 14:34 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 17:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 17:42 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-08 8:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-08 12:34 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-13 23:36 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 0:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 0:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 1:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 1:33 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 1:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 5:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 20:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-26 15:04 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-26 21:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-26 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 0:16 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 9:56 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28 3:20 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Rafael J. Wysocki
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