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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: "Woodruff, Richard" <r-woodruff2@ti.com>
Cc: "ncunningham@crca.org.au" <ncunningham@crca.org.au>,
	"u.luckas@road.de" <u.luckas@road.de>,
	"swetland@google.com" <swetland@google.com>,
	"linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:10:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213011035.GA8664@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13B9B4C6EF24D648824FF11BE89671620377169672@dlee02.ent.ti.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 05:42:01PM -0600, Woodruff, Richard wrote:

> It is discouraging to hear comments like "we have been talking about for years something else" yet nothing exists or is in open development. Things can evolve in place.

This is userlad-visible ABI. We can't evolve it in place - we need to 
get it right before merging it, otherwise we need to carry on 
maintaining code for an extended period of time in order to ensure that 
there's no userland code that depends on it.

I dislike the kernel-side use of wakelocks. They're basically equivalent 
to a device returning -EBUSY during the suspend phase, which is 
something that can be done without any kernel modifications. I'm more 
interested in the userspace side, but I'd like to know more about what 
sort of constraints userspace is likely to impose. In general kernel 
people respond better to a "Here is a problem statement, here is our 
proposed solution" type statement than "Here is our code".

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-05  2:50 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50   ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50     ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50       ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50         ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50           ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50             ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50               ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                   ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                     ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                       ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                         ` [PATCH 13/13] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:08                         ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:06                       ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:42                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:53                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:03                     ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:37                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:51                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:54                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  2:29                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:02                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:53                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:55                   ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:30                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:49                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:58                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 10:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:08                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  3:42                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:00                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:35                   ` mark gross
2009-02-05  8:53                 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:52               ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:25                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:27                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-06  0:18             ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api mark gross
2009-02-07 22:47             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  2:32               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-08 13:33                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:17           ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:37           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 10:33             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 13:50               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 14:04                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-08 21:06                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:41                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:58                       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-10  0:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:40                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:58                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  0:26                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:35                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:53                           ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-09  8:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 13:31                               ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 11:19                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  9:15                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  3:07                       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 22:26                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  9:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-12 11:16                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-08 21:04                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 21:40                   ` Alan Stern
2009-02-08 23:00                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:03                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:31                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:11                           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  2:24                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  2:56                               ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  9:01                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10  0:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-10  9:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 14:18                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:44                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:31         ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:16       ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 15:24       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-06  0:10       ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:38         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07  0:33           ` mark gross
2009-02-07  0:47             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 18:00               ` mark gross
2009-02-10 20:24               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:27       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11  2:52         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:14     ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 23:26     ` mark gross
2009-02-06  9:33       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 23:26         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 20:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 23:34       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 20:59         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:11   ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:28     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  9:45       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-08 21:30       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  9:06           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:17       ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:40         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:14           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:35             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 11:15               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  3:12                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:49         ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api. ) Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 11:17           ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock?api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 12:10             ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:14               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 13:20                 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:42                   ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 12:35             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  1:32     ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api mark gross
2009-02-05 22:51   ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:13     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 20:25       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  2:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11  4:47         ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-11  8:40           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-11 14:58           ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 15:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 22:57               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 21:37             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 22:05               ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 23:55               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 18:47           ` mark gross
2009-02-07 18:56   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:51     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 23:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  0:20         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 21:21           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  0:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:03             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 22:23               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 23:42                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 22:22                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-12 23:42                     ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13  1:10                       ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2009-02-13  2:21                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-13  2:40                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-13  3:17                         ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 10:55                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 14:06                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:24                             ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 14:37                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:46                                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 15:07                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 22:52                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-13 16:46                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:05                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:13                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 19:14                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 19:35                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 16:49                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:09                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:18                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 13:18                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:07                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 20:32                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 13:53                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-03 14:02                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 13:41                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:00                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:13                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 14:34                                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 17:10                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 17:42                                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-08  8:32                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-08 12:34                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-13 23:36                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  0:05                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  0:50                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:06                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  1:33                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:49                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  5:51                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 20:44                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-26 15:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-26 21:11                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-26 21:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27  0:16                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27  9:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28  3:20                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Rafael J. Wysocki

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