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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Uli Luckas <u.luckas@road.de>
Cc: "swetland@google.com" <swetland@google.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"ncunningham@crca.org.au" <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:06:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213140654.GC26549@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200902131155.07530.u.luckas@road.de>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:55:06AM +0100, Uli Luckas wrote:
> On Friday, 13. February 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > I dislike the kernel-side use of wakelocks. They're basically equivalent
> > to a device returning -EBUSY during the suspend phase, which is
> > something that can be done without any kernel modifications. 
> That's absouletely wrong. With wake locks, you are in a pre suspend state and 
> stay there until all wakelocks are released. Then you go to sleep.
> 
> With -EBUSY the kernel gives up on suspend until some source triggers it 
> again. When exactly should suspend then be retried?

Ok, so let's think about this differently. What we want is simply for 
drivers to be able to block an automatic suspend. For performance 
reasons we want to keep track of this state without calling into the 
entire driver tree. Now that the userspace API can automatically clean 
up after itself, why is this not just a simple counter? Kernel API would 
be something like:

(input arrives)
inhibit_suspend();
(input queue is emptied)
uninhibit_suspend();

perhaps using the device struct or something as a token for debug 
purposes. Userland ABI would then be a single /dev/inhibit_suspend, 
with the counter being bumped each time an application opens it. It'll 
automatically be dropped if the application exits without cleaning up.

This seems simpler and also avoids any arguments about the naming 
scheme. What am I missing?
-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-05  2:50 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50   ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50     ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50       ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50         ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50           ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50             ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50               ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                   ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                     ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                       ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                         ` [PATCH 13/13] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:08                         ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:06                       ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:42                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:53                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:03                     ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:37                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:51                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:54                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  2:29                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:02                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:53                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:55                   ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:30                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:49                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:58                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 10:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:08                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  3:42                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:00                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:35                   ` mark gross
2009-02-05  8:53                 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:52               ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:25                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:27                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-06  0:18             ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api mark gross
2009-02-07 22:47             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  2:32               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-08 13:33                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:17           ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:37           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 10:33             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 13:50               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 14:04                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-08 21:06                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:41                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:58                       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-10  0:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:40                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:58                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  0:26                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:35                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:53                           ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-09  8:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 13:31                               ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 11:19                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  9:15                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  3:07                       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 22:26                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  9:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-12 11:16                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-08 21:04                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 21:40                   ` Alan Stern
2009-02-08 23:00                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:03                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:31                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:11                           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  2:24                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  2:56                               ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  9:01                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10  0:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-10  9:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 14:18                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:44                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:31         ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:16       ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 15:24       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-06  0:10       ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:38         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07  0:33           ` mark gross
2009-02-07  0:47             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 18:00               ` mark gross
2009-02-10 20:24               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:27       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11  2:52         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:14     ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 23:26     ` mark gross
2009-02-06  9:33       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 23:26         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 20:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 23:34       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 20:59         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:11   ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:28     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  9:45       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-08 21:30       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  9:06           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:17       ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:40         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:14           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:35             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 11:15               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  3:12                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:49         ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api. ) Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 11:17           ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock?api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 12:10             ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:14               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 13:20                 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:42                   ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 12:35             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  1:32     ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api mark gross
2009-02-05 22:51   ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:13     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 20:25       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  2:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11  4:47         ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-11  8:40           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-11 14:58           ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 15:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 22:57               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 21:37             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 22:05               ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 23:55               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 18:47           ` mark gross
2009-02-07 18:56   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:51     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 23:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  0:20         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 21:21           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  0:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:03             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 22:23               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 23:42                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 22:22                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-12 23:42                     ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13  1:10                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13  2:21                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-13  2:40                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-13  3:17                         ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 10:55                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 14:06                           ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2009-02-13 14:24                             ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 14:37                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:46                                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 15:07                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 22:52                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-13 16:46                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:05                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:13                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 19:14                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 19:35                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 16:49                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:09                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:18                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 13:18                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:07                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 20:32                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 13:53                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-03 14:02                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 13:41                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:00                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:13                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 14:34                                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 17:10                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 17:42                                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-08  8:32                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-08 12:34                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-13 23:36                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  0:05                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  0:50                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:06                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  1:33                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:49                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  5:51                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 20:44                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-26 15:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-26 21:11                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-26 21:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27  0:16                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27  9:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28  3:20                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Rafael J. Wysocki

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