From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pavel Machek Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:59:24 +0200 Message-ID: <20100814075923.GC27430@elf.ucw.cz> References: <20100812125248.GA2763@thunk.org> <20100812182128.GC2763@thunk.org> <20100812125712.48b7fc26@virtuousgeek.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: linux-pm-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Errors-To: linux-pm-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org To: Felipe Contreras Cc: peterz@infradead.org, Jesse Barnes , Alan Cox , galibert@pobox.com, florian@mickler.org, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, James.Bottomley@suse.de, tglx@linutronix.de, swmike@swm.pp.se, david@lang.hm, Ted Ts'o , Brian Swetland , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, menage@google.com, arjan@infradead.org List-Id: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org Hi! > >> Question though -- has every feature ever added to the kernel been a > >> feature that there's pre-existing usage of? =A0Seems like a chicken and > >> egg problem. =A0Also, some people seem to think there's value in being > >> able to build kernels "out of the box" that work with the Android > >> userspace -- given that there are a few devices out there that have > >> that userspace on 'em. > > > > We generally try to merge new features like this along with code that > > uses said feature, but there are always exceptions. =A0We've merged code > > one release or more before the new code gets used for example, which is > > fine IMO. =A0What we don't want to see is some new drop of code added a= nd > > abandoned, but you already knew that. > = > If Android guys provided a bare minimal Debian system with suspend > blockers that people can take a look at and try, I think that would be > a good proof of concept. And a bare minimum to get the patches merged. Yes, that would certainly help. I guess this is the major point -- as suspend blockers seem very suitable for android, they don't seem suitable for anyone else... -- = (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blo= g.html