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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] freezer: allow killing of frozen tasks
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:27:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130820122727.GC3926@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7346644.tueXegsfXu@vostro.rjw.lan>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 02:34:14PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 08:22:00 AM Tejun Heo wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 02:30:18PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > So, I don't think we can simply turn TASK_UNITERRUPTIBLE to
> > > > TASK_KILLABLE at this point.  We really need to strictly define where
> > > > a task can freeze before being able to do anything like this.
> > > 
> > > But we could do that for user space tasks I suppose?
> > 
> > Even for userland tasks, we don't know where the task is stuck at.  I
> > think there are enough freeze points in the kernel which are in the
> > middle of something which can be used by userland tasks excuting some
> > syscall.  We need to collect all those sites into well defined trap
> > points before doing this.
> 
> OK, thanks!

I scanned through try_to_freeze() users and it seems like we don't
have that many which can be hit by userland tasks.  I think it should
be doable to audit all the users, remove the ones which can be invoked
by userland and make try_to_freeze() whine loudly if it's running off
a userland task except from well-defined spots.  Anyways, we need to
ensure that userland task doesn't get stuck deep in the kernel before
allowing this.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-20 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-20 11:20 [RFC PATCH] freezer: allow killing of frozen tasks Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2013-08-20 12:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-20 12:18   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-20 12:30     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-20 12:22       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-20 12:34         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-20 12:27           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2013-08-20 12:41             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-09-25  5:52               ` Kyungmin Park
2013-09-25  8:07                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-09-26  1:46                   ` Colin Cross

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