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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"markgross@thegnar.org" <markgross@thegnar.org>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:12:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140120181208.GC25439@amd.pavel.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140120171010.GB29971@arm.com>


> > Sleeping CPU: 2mA
> > Screen on: 230mA
> > CPU loaded: 250mA
> > 
> > Now, lets believe your numbers and pretend system can operate at 33%
> > of speed with 11% power consumption.
> > 
> > Lets take task that takes 10 seconds on max frequency:
> > 
> >       ~ 10s * 470mA     	     	    = 4700mAs
> > 
> > You suggest running at 33% speed, instead; that means 30 seconds on
> > low requency.
> > 
> > CPU on low: 25mA (assumed).
> > 
> >      ~ 30s * 255mA			    = 7650mAs
> > 
> > Hmm. So race to idle is good thing on Intel machines, and it is good
> > thing on ARM design I have access to.
> 
> Race to idle doesn't mean that the screen goes off as well. Let's say
> the screen stays on for 1 min and the CPU needs to be running for 10s
> over this minute, in the first case you have:
> 
> 	10s & 250mA + 60s * 230mA = 16300mAs
> 
> in the second case you have:
> 
> 	30s * 25mA + 60s * 230mA = 14550mAs
> 
> That's a 1750mAs difference. There are of course other parts drawing
> current but simple things like the above really make a difference in the
> mobile space, both in terms of battery and thermal budget.

Aha, I noticed the values are now the other way around. [And notice
that if user _does_ lock/turn off the screen after the operation,
difference between power consumptions is factor of two. People do turn
off screens before putting phone back in pocket.]

You are right that as long as user does _not_ wait for the computation
result, running at low frequency might make sense. That may be true on
cellphone so fast that all the actions are "instant". I have yet to
see such cellphone. That probably means that staying on low frequency
normally and going to high after cpu is busy for 100msec or so is
right thing: if cpu is busy for 100msec, it probably means user is
waiting for the result.

But it depends on the numbers you did not tell us. I'm pretty sure
N900 does _not_ have 11% power consuption at 33% performance; I just
assumed so for sake of argument.

So, really, details are needed.
									Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-20 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-07 16:19 [0/11][REPOST] Energy-aware scheduling use-cases and scheduler issues Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [1/11] issue 1: Missing power topology information in scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [2/11] issue 2: Energy-awareness for heterogeneous systems Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [3/11] issue 3: No understanding of potential cpu capacity Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-13 21:07   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 10:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-14 16:39     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-14 16:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [4/11] issue 4: Tracking idle states Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [5/11] issue 5: Frequency and uarch invariant task load Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-08 12:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-16 11:16     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [6/11] issue 6: Poor and non-deterministic performance on heterogeneous systems Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [7/11] use-case 1: Webbrowsing on Android Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [8/11] use-case 2: Audio playback " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [9/11] use-case 3: Video " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [10/11] use-case 4: Game " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-20 16:32   ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-21 12:14     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-21 12:31       ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 16:49   ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 17:10     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 17:17       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 17:47         ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:03           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 19:15             ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-21 11:19               ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 17:54       ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:16         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:25         ` Sebastian Reichel
2014-01-21 18:53           ` Kalle Jokiniemi
2014-01-20 18:12       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2014-01-21 11:42         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-21 12:20           ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-20 16:45 [0/11] Energy-aware scheduling use-cases and scheduler issues Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-20 16:45 ` [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS Morten Rasmussen

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