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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"daniel.lezcano@linaro.org" <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm: topology: Define TC2 sched energy and provide it to scheduler
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:03:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140606130352.GU29593@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604172712.GJ13930@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 06:27:12PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 05:02:30PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 12:50:15PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 07:16:33PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > > > +static struct capacity_state cap_states_cluster_a7[] = {
> > > > +	/* Cluster only power */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  358, .power = 2967, }, /*  350 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  410, .power = 2792, }, /*  400 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  512, .power = 2810, }, /*  500 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  614, .power = 2815, }, /*  600 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  717, .power = 2919, }, /*  700 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  819, .power = 2847, }, /*  800 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap =  922, .power = 3917, }, /*  900 MHz */
> > > > +	 { .cap = 1024, .power = 4905, }, /* 1000 MHz */
> > > > +	};

[...]

> > TC2 is an early development platform and somewhat different from what
> > you find in end user products. TC2 actually uses the same voltage for
> > all states except the highest 2-3 states. That is not typical. The
> > voltage is typically slightly different for each state, however, the
> > difference get bigger for higher P-states. We could probably get away
> > with representing multiple states as one in the energy model if the
> > voltage change is minimal.
> 
> So while I don't mind the full table, esp. if its fairly easy to
> generate using that tool you spoke about, I just wondered if it made
> sense to somewhat reduce it.
> 
> Now that I look at the actual .power values, you can indeed see that all
> except the last two are pretty much similar in power usage.
> 
> On that, is that fluctuation measurement noise, or is that stable?

It would make sense to reduce it for this particular platform. In fact
it is questionable whether we should use frequencies below 800 MHz at
all. On TC2 the voltage is same for 800 MHz and below and it seems that
leakage (static) power is dominating the power consumption. Since the
power is almost constant in the range 350 to 800 MHz energy-efficiency
(performance/watt ~ cap/power) is actually getting *better* as we run
faster until we get to 800 MHz. Beyond 800 MHz energy-efficiency goes
down due to increased voltages.

The proposed platform energy model is an extremely simplified view of
the platform. The numbers are pretty much the raw data normalized and
averaged as appropriate. I haven't tweaked them in any way to make them
look more perfect. So, the small variations (within 4%) may be
measurement noise and the fact I model something complex with a simple
model.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-06 13:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 18:16 [RFC PATCH 00/16] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-05  8:49   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05 11:35     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-05 15:02       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] sched: Introduce CONFIG_SCHED_ENERGY Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-08  6:03   ` Henrik Austad
2014-06-09 10:20     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10  9:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 10:06         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10 10:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 11:17             ` Henrik Austad
2014-06-10 12:19               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 11:24             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-10 12:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 14:41                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] sched: Introduce sd energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched: Allocate and initialize sched energy Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched: Add sd energy procfs interface Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] arm: topology: Define TC2 sched energy and provide it to scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-30 12:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-02 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 11:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 13:49         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 16:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 13:15         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06 13:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 14:29             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-12 15:05               ` Vince Weaver
2014-06-03 11:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 16:02     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 17:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 21:56         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-05  6:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-05 15:03             ` Dirk Brandewie
2014-06-05 20:29               ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06  8:05                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06  0:35                   ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06 10:50                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-06 12:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-06-06 12:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2014-06-06 14:11                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-07  2:33                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-09  8:27                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-09 13:22                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-11 11:02                                 ` Eduardo Valentin
2014-06-11 11:42                                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-11 11:43                                     ` Eduardo Valentin
2014-06-11 13:37                                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-07 23:53                         ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-07 23:26                       ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-09  8:59                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-09  2:15                           ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-10 10:16                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-10 17:01                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-10 18:35                           ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-06 16:27                     ` Jacob Pan
2014-06-06 13:03         ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2014-06-07  2:52         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched: Introduce system-wide sched_energy Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched, cpufreq: Introduce current cpu compute capacity into scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched, cpufreq: Current compute capacity hack for ARM TC2 Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched: Energy model functions Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] sched: Task wakeup tracking Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] sched: Take task wakeups into account in energy estimates Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] sched: Use energy model in select_idle_sibling Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] sched: Use energy to guide wakeup task placement Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-23 18:16 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] sched: Disable wake_affine to broaden the scope of wakeup target cpus Morten Rasmussen

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