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From: Andreas Kemnade <andreas@kemnade.info>
To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
	<gta04-owner@goldelico.com>
Cc: pavel@ucw.cz, Neil Brown <neil@brown.name>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 10/13] twl4030_charger: add software controlled linear charging mode.
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:20:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151029172041.2a9cd266@kemnade.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151006143407.GA24518@xo-6d-61-c0.localdomain>

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On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:34:07 +0200
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> writes:
> > > On Thu 2015-07-30 10:11:24, NeilBrown wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Add a 'continuous' option for usb charging which enables
> > >> the "linear" charging mode of the twl4030.
> > >> 
> > >> Linear charging does a good job with not-so-reliable power sources.
> > >> Auto mode does not work well as it switches off when voltage drops
> > >> momentarily.  Care must be taken not to over-charge.
> > >
> > > Can you explain how the user can "care not to over-charge"?
> > 
> > The following text reads:
> > 
> >     It was used with a bike hub dynamo since a year or so. In that case
> >     there are automatically charging stops when the cyclist needs a break.
> > 
> > so: take a break from cycling occasionally.
> 
> If the charger does not exceed 4.2V, I'd not call it overcharge. (Yes, some clever
> chargers actually let the battery drop below 4.2V when charge is done, but...)
> 
Yes, that is the case. Perhaps it is not to be called overcharge but
it is said that lithium battery charging has to stop if in CV mode the
current drops too low.  In automatic mode the charger does exactly
that.
I would not let a battery for days at 4.2V CV.mode although a lot
of cheap chargers 

> If the charger _does_ exceed 4.2V, then the battery will explode. Don't do that. Don't
> offer that to the user.
> 
> On a related note... I've just killed USB charger by overloading it. They are not protected.
> 
> I believe your automatically-pull-max-power really should stick to the well-known charging
> currents (.5A, 1A, 1.7A), at the very minimum.
> 
The main reason for the patch was to prevent switching off charging
when Vbus drops low. The reason was not to get out extremely much
current out of the charger.
The electrical characteristics of a  bicycle as a power source are.
- the amount of current available changes
   - 500mA at around 17km/h
- you cannot destroy it by electrically overloading

If the current is set to e.g. 500mA and that linear charging mode is
enabled, the battery gets the maximum current available (upto
500mA) regardless of the speed which is often changing.

Regards,
Andreas Kemnade

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-29 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-30  0:11 [PATCH 00/13] Enhance twl4030_charger functionality. - V3 NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 03/13] twl4030_charger: correctly handle -EPROBE_DEFER from devm_usb_get_phy_by_node NeilBrown
2015-08-18  8:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2015-08-19  0:28     ` NeilBrown
2015-08-19  6:25       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-08-27 20:51   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-02  3:25     ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-02  6:19       ` Neil Brown
2015-09-02 13:07         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-09-08 18:32           ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-08 20:14             ` Tony Lindgren
2015-09-10  8:08               ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-09-10 20:27                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-09-10 20:43                   ` Tony Lindgren
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 05/13] twl4030_charger: split uA calculation into a function NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 01/13] twl4030_charger: use runtime_pm to keep usb phy active while charging NeilBrown
2015-09-15 11:29   ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 11/13] twl4030_charger: add ac/mode to match usb/mode NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 02/13] twl4030_charger: convert to module_platform_driver instead of ..._probe NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 10/13] twl4030_charger: add software controlled linear charging mode NeilBrown
2015-09-15 11:28   ` Pavel Machek
2015-09-15 12:08     ` [Gta04-owner] " Christ van Willegen
2015-10-01  6:14     ` Neil Brown
2015-10-06 14:34       ` Pavel Machek
2015-10-29 16:20         ` Andreas Kemnade [this message]
2015-11-14 18:12           ` [Gta04-owner] " Pavel Machek
2015-11-24 22:31             ` Andreas Kemnade
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 06/13] twl4030_charger: allow fine control of charger current NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 09/13] twl4030_charger: enable manual enable/disable of usb charging NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 04/13] twl4030_charger: trust phy to determine when USB power is available NeilBrown
2015-09-15 11:30   ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 07/13] twl4030_charger: distinguish between USB current and 'AC' current NeilBrown
2015-08-07  3:11   ` Tony Lindgren
2015-08-07  3:45     ` NeilBrown
2015-08-07  4:21       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-08-07  5:13       ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-08-07  5:29         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 12/13] twl4030_charger: Increase current carefully while watching voltage NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 08/13] twl4030_charger: allow max_current to be managed via sysfs NeilBrown
2015-07-30  0:11 ` [PATCH 13/13] twl4030_charger: assume a 'charger' can supply maximum current NeilBrown
2015-08-05  3:35 ` [PATCH 00/13] Enhance twl4030_charger functionality. - V3 Sebastian Reichel

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