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From: Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@samsung.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@google.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Functional dependencies between devices
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:18:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151119131857.GF21862@ulmo.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151117135549.GR31303@sirena.org.uk>

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 01:55:49PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 01:49:17PM +0100, Andrzej Hajda wrote:
> > On 10/27/2015 04:24 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > this scenario:
> > - many clock providers, irq domains are not provided by devices,
> 
> That seems like something we can and possibly should change if we want.

It's not very trivial, unfortunately. I had a crack at that a long time
ago, but the problem is that these devices all need to be available very
early during boot, at which point devices aren't registered yet. With
all the progress on probe deferral and the on-demand probing work this
might be less of an issue nowadays, I haven't looked at it for quite a
while.

But I fully agree that the current state of setting up providers without
a device structure is suboptimal precisely because it prevents generic
infrastructure like the one Rafael proposed from just working.

That said, one technique I've occasionally resorted to is to have some
early code, be it one of the OF table things or an initcall, set up a
basic environment, typically using global variables (yuck!), but then
provide a proper driver that knows how to take these things over when
its time comes. That's not a perfect solution, but at least it gives you
a proper struct device to work with.

Thierry

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-19 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-27 15:24 [RFD] Functional dependencies between devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-27 15:20 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-28  2:15   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-28 14:26     ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-28 15:54       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-29  0:18         ` Mark Brown
2015-10-29 14:03         ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-29 14:31           ` Alan Stern
2015-10-31  2:23             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-31 15:22               ` Alan Stern
2015-10-29  0:15 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-31  2:13   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-31  2:40     ` Mark Brown
2015-10-30  9:50 ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-30 22:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-01-07 14:55   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2016-01-07 21:29     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-01-08  7:28       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2016-01-08 15:15         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-11-09 12:32 ` Thierry Reding
2015-11-09 21:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-11-17 12:44 ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-18  2:17   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-11-19  9:08     ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-19 22:04       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-11-20  1:11         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-11-24 14:57         ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-24 16:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-11-30  7:16             ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-17 12:49 ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-17 13:55   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-19  6:50     ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-21 14:04       ` Mark Brown
2015-11-24 13:56         ` Andrzej Hajda
2015-11-19 13:18     ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2015-11-21 13:26       ` Mark Brown
2015-11-17 20:31   ` Alan Stern
2015-11-17 22:47     ` Mark Brown
2016-01-14  1:52 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-14  1:53   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] driver core: Add a wrapper around __device_release_driver() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-14  1:54   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] driver core: Functional dependencies tracking support Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 12:48     ` Mark Brown
2016-06-08 18:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 18:35         ` Mark Brown
2016-06-08 20:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 22:24             ` Mark Brown
2016-01-14  1:55   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] PM core: Make async suspend/resume of devices use device links Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 12:59     ` Mark Brown
2016-01-14  1:56   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] PM core: Make runtime PM " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-14  1:56   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] PM core: Optimize the use of device links for runtime PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-01-14 14:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Functional dependencies between devices Tomeu Vizoso
2016-01-15  0:44     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 12:15   ` Mark Brown
2016-06-08 17:24     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-06-08 17:33       ` Mark Brown

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