From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prefer kASLR over Hibernation
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 02:05:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160407000543.GA26824@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jJQBEivvcGnK4jB+5sbUpx9Sn+RieChXEgU-4ch9=1chA@mail.gmail.com>
* Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> >> I don't think this is a good idea, as it turns off emergency hibernation of
> >> laptops - many desktop distros support it by default.
> >
> > Right, I forgot about this one.
>
> When I last checked Ubuntu doesn't enable hibernation by default any more:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
>
> And it seems like Fedora either doesn't either, or has a lot of people
> for whom it doesn't work:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206936
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224151
> http://blog.kriptonium.com/2015/12/fedora-23-hibernate.html
Ok, that's a relatively recent development, I distinctly remember my laptop being
hibernated in such a fashion fairly recently.
That makes it easier to hack around the kASLR incompatibility by making
hibernation less useful. Personally I think that conceptually user space
persistency (CRIU et al) is superior to kernel level hibernation - but
user-space save/restore is nowhere near as complete as kernel hibernation,
so it's still somewhat sad that it doesn't work ...
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-07 0:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-06 19:44 [PATCH] Prefer kASLR over Hibernation Kees Cook
2016-04-06 20:17 ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-06 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-06 21:25 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-06 21:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 22:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-07 0:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 22:16 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-06 22:41 ` Paul Bolle
2016-04-07 0:05 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-04-11 8:00 ` James Morse
2016-04-11 18:03 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-11 18:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-04-11 18:47 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-12 17:51 ` James Morse
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