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From: Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Wanpeng Li <wanpeng.li@hotmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	rkrcmar@redhat.com, dmatlack@google.com, agraf@suse.de,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC hack dont apply] intel_idle: support running within a VM
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:12:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171002101249.69b5611a@jacob-builder> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0hz+KDGVdz+X=98p51fOpk6AAa3CmL-asWw3uZg12X-Lw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:21:43 +0200
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> wrote:
> > intel idle driver does not DTRT when running within a VM:
> > when going into a deep power state, the right thing to
> > do is to exit to hypervisor rather than to keep polling
> > within guest using mwait.
> >
> > Currently the solution is just to exit to hypervisor each time we go
> > idle - this is why kvm does not expose the mwait leaf to guests even
> > when it allows guests to do mwait.
> >
> > But that's not ideal - it seems better to use the idle driver to
> > guess when will the next interrupt arrive.  
> 
> The idle driver alone is not sufficient for that, though.
> 
I second that. Why try to solve this problem at vendor specific driver
level? perhaps just a pv idle driver that decide whether to vmexit
based on something like local per vCPU timer expiration? I guess we
can't predict other wake events such as interrupts.
e.g.
if (get_next_timer_interrupt() > kvm_halt_target_residency)
	vmexit
else
	poll

Jacob

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-02 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-29 22:01 [PATCH RFC hack dont apply] intel_idle: support running within a VM Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-29 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-02 17:12   ` Jacob Pan [this message]
2017-10-03 21:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-04  2:11       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04  7:56         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-04 20:18           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-04  2:09     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 17:09       ` Jacob Pan
2017-10-04 17:12         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 18:31           ` Jacob Pan
2017-10-05 10:44             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-06  3:37             ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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