From: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: "Joel Fernandes (Google.)" <joelaf@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>,
claudio@evidence.eu.com, kernel-team@android.com,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] schedutil: Allow cpufreq requests to be made even when kthread kicked
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 18:41:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180521174142.GU30654@e110439-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180521172001.GA21678@joelaf.mtv.corp.google.com>
On 21-May 10:20, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 06:00:50PM +0100, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > On 21-May 08:49, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:50:55AM +0100, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > > > On 18-May 11:55, Joel Fernandes (Google.) wrote:
> > > > > From: "Joel Fernandes (Google)" <joel@joelfernandes.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently there is a chance of a schedutil cpufreq update request to be
> > > > > dropped if there is a pending update request. This pending request can
> > > > > be delayed if there is a scheduling delay of the irq_work and the wake
> > > > > up of the schedutil governor kthread.
> > > > >
> > > > > A very bad scenario is when a schedutil request was already just made,
> > > > > such as to reduce the CPU frequency, then a newer request to increase
> > > > > CPU frequency (even sched deadline urgent frequency increase requests)
> > > > > can be dropped, even though the rate limits suggest that its Ok to
> > > > > process a request. This is because of the way the work_in_progress flag
> > > > > is used.
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch improves the situation by allowing new requests to happen
> > > > > even though the old one is still being processed. Note that in this
> > > > > approach, if an irq_work was already issued, we just update next_freq
> > > > > and don't bother to queue another request so there's no extra work being
> > > > > done to make this happen.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'm missing something but... is not this patch just a partial
> > > > mitigation of the issue you descrive above?
> > > >
> > > > If a DL freq increase is queued, with this patch we store the request
> > > > but we don't actually increase the frequency until the next schedutil
> > > > update, which can be one tick away... isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > If that's the case, maybe something like the following can complete
> > > > the cure?
> > >
> > > We already discussed this and thought of this case, I think you missed a
> > > previous thread [1]. The outer loop in the kthread_work subsystem will take
> > > care of calling sugov_work again incase another request was queued which we
> > > happen to miss.
> >
> > Ok, I missed that thread... my bad.
>
> Sure no problem, sorry I was just pointing out the thread, not blaming you
> for not reading it ;)
Sure, np here too ;)
> > However, [1] made me noticing that your solution works under the
> > assumption that we keep queuing a new kworker job for each request we
> > get, isn't it?
>
> Not at each request, but each request after work_in_progress was cleared by the
> sugov_work. Any requests that happen between work_in_progress is set and
> cleared only result in updating of the next_freq.
I see, so we enqueue for the time of:
mutex_lock(&sg_policy->work_lock);
__cpufreq_driver_target(sg_policy->policy, freq, CPUFREQ_RELATION_L);
mutex_unlock(&sg_policy->work_lock);
> > If that's the case, this means that if, for example, during a
> > frequency switch you get a request to reduce the frequency (e.g.
> > deadline task passing the 0-lag time) and right after a request to
> > increase the frequency (e.g. the current FAIR task tick)... you will
> > enqueue a freq drop followed by a freq increase and actually do two
> > frequency hops?
>
> Yes possibly,
Not sure about the time window above, I can try to get some
measurements tomorrow.
> I see your point but I'm not sure if the tight loop around that
> is worth the complexity, or atleast is within the scope of my patch.
> Perhaps the problem you describe can be looked at as a future enhancement?
Sure, I already have it as a patch on top of your. I can post it
afterwards and we can discuss whether it makes sense or not.
Still have to better check, but I think that maybe we can skip
the queueing altogether if some work is already pending... in case we
wanna go for a dedicated inner loop like the one I was proposing.
Apart that, I think that your patch is already fixing 90% of the
issue we have now.
> thanks,
>
> - Joel
--
#include <best/regards.h>
Patrick Bellasi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-21 17:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-18 18:55 [PATCH v2] schedutil: Allow cpufreq requests to be made even when kthread kicked Joel Fernandes (Google.)
2018-05-18 21:13 ` Saravana Kannan
2018-05-18 21:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-21 5:14 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-21 8:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-21 9:57 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-21 16:13 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-22 10:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 11:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 15:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 17:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-21 10:50 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-21 15:49 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-21 17:00 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-21 17:20 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-21 17:41 ` Patrick Bellasi [this message]
2018-05-22 10:23 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 10:38 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-21 18:05 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-22 10:26 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-22 10:34 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 10:50 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 10:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 10:54 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 11:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 11:38 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 11:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 12:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 21:41 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-22 21:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-22 22:28 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-22 10:51 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-22 10:56 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-22 22:09 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-23 8:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-23 9:01 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-23 9:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-23 10:06 ` Viresh Kumar
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