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From: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: rjw@rjwysocki.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	morten.rasmussen@arm.com, chris.redpath@arm.com,
	patrick.bellasi@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, thara.gopinath@linaro.org,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, tkjos@google.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, smuckle@google.com,
	adharmap@codeaurora.org, skannan@codeaurora.org,
	pkondeti@codeaurora.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	edubezval@gmail.com, srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
	currojerez@riseup.net, javi.merino@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 05/14] sched: Introduce a sched_feat for Energy Aware Scheduling
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 14:08:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181002130818.fciw7cmlwggymxrz@queper01-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181002123416.GA3439@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tuesday 02 Oct 2018 at 14:34:16 (+0200), Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:13:00AM +0100, Quentin Perret wrote:
> > In order to make sure Energy Aware Scheduling (EAS) doesn't hurt
> > systems not using it, add a new sched_feat, called ENERGY_AWARE,
> > guarding the access to EAS code paths.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
> > ---
> >  kernel/sched/features.h | 7 +++++++
> >  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/features.h b/kernel/sched/features.h
> > index 85ae8488039c..26ff6752e492 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/features.h
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/features.h
> > @@ -90,3 +90,10 @@ SCHED_FEAT(WA_BIAS, true)
> >   * UtilEstimation. Use estimated CPU utilization.
> >   */
> >  SCHED_FEAT(UTIL_EST, true)
> > +
> > +/*
> > + * Energy-Aware Scheduling. Whether or not tasks will be placed into an
> > + * energy-aware fashion depends on this feature being enabled and on the
> > + * root domain having an Energy Model attached.
> > + */
> > +SCHED_FEAT(ENERGY_AWARE, false)
> 
> So these are debug knobs.. I would expect there to be a regular
> static_key that is controlled by the presence of EM data.

Right, the issue I'm trying to solve with this is basically that _some_
users will want to have an EM for the thermal stuff, but they will want
EAS disabled. Some people (not very many that's true, but still) use
big.little and don't care much about energy ...

So, there is a need for an EAS knob on the scheduler side. I don't mind
it being something else than a sched_feat, but I couldn't see a better
option. Another Kconfig (CONFIG_SCHED_ENERGY) ? A sysctl ?

FWIW, the Android kernel has had an ENERGY_AWARE sched_feat since the
very beginning of EAS.

> Remember, if you compile with SCHED_DEBUG=n, this becomes a compile time
> constant: false, and the compiler gets to do lots of DCE.

Indeed, and what happens in the mobile market sometimes is that people
play with those options as needed and then they put patches in their
device kernels to change the defaults before compiling with
!SCHED_DEBUG.

I'd say it's not the worst kind of device-specific out-of-tree changes
to Linux. That's debatable however

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-02 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-12  9:12 [PATCH v7 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:12 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:12 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] sched/cpufreq: Prepare schedutil for Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-09-12 14:56   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-09-18 21:33   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-27 12:17     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-28  8:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-28  8:35         ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-28  8:35           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-12  9:12 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 12:54     ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 13:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 12:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 12:51     ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 13:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 14:05         ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 14:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 14:40             ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 19:12               ` Andrea Parri
2018-10-03  7:48                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:12 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] sched: Introduce a sched_feat for Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 12:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:08     ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2018-10-03 16:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04  9:57         ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-10-02 12:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:16     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] sched/topology: Lowest CPU asymmetry sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] sched/topology: Disable EAS on inappropriate platforms Quentin Perret
2018-10-03 16:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04  9:10     ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-04  9:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04  9:45         ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] sched/fair: Clean-up update_sg_lb_stats parameters Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-10-04  8:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04  9:02     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-10-04  9:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 10:27     ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-04 10:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 10:55         ` Quentin Perret
2018-10-04 12:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] sched/topology: Make Energy Aware Scheduling depend on schedutil Quentin Perret
2018-10-04 10:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 11:58     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-12  9:13 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] OPTIONAL: cpufreq: dt: Register an Energy Model Quentin Perret

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