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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Shyam Sundar S K <Shyam-sundar.S-k@amd.com>,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	iain@orangesquash.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 2/2] PCI: Add a quirk for AMD PCIe root ports w/ USB4 controllers
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:33:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230914153303.GA30424@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230914145332.GA5261@wunner.de>

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 04:53:32PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 09:31:38AM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > On 9/14/2023 09:17, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 11:36:49AM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > > > On 9/13/2023 09:31, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > > > > If this only affects system sleep, not runtime PM, what you can do is
> > > > > define a DECLARE_PCI_FIXUP_SUSPEND_LATE() which calls pci_d3cold_disable()
> > > > > and also define a DECLARE_PCI_FIXUP_CLASS_RESUME_EARLY() which calls
> > > > > pci_d3cold_enable().
> > > > > 
> > > > > And I think you can make those calls conditional on pm_suspend_no_platform()
> > > > > to constrain to s2idle.
> > > > > 
> > > > > User space should still be able to influence runtime PM via the
> > > > > d3cold_allowed flag (unless I'm missing something).
> > > > 
> > > > The part you're missing is that D3hot is affected by this issue too,
> > > > otherwise it would be a good proposal.
> > > 
> > > I recall that in an earlier version of the patch, you solved the issue
> > > by amending pci_bridge_d3_possible().
> > > 
> > > Changing the dev->no_d3cold flag indirectly influences the bridge_d3
> > > flag (through pci_dev_check_d3cold() and pci_bridge_d3_update()).
> > > 
> > > If dev->no_d3cold is set on a device below a port, that port is
> > > prevented from entring D3hot because it would result in the
> > > device effectively being in D3cold.
> > > 
> > > So you might want to take a closer look at this approach despite
> > > the flag suggesting that it only influences D3cold.
> > 
> > Ah; I hadn't considered setting it on a device below the port. In this
> > particular situation the only devices below the root port are USB
> > controllers.
> > 
> > If those devices don't go into D3 the system can't enter hardware sleep.
> 
> If you set dev->no_d3cold on the USB controllers, they should still
> be able to go to D3hot, but not D3cold, which perhaps might be sufficient.
> It should prevent D3cold *and* D3hot on the Root Port above.  And if you
> set that on system sleep in a quirk and clear it on resume, runtime PM
> shouldn't be affected.

dev->no_d3cold appears to be mainly an administrative policy knob
twidded via sysfs.

There *are* a few cases where drivers (i915, nouveau, xhci) update it
via pci_d3cold_enable() or pci_d3cold_disable(), but they all look
vulnerable to issues if people use the sysfs knob, and I'm a little
dubious that they're legit in the first place.

This AMD Root Port issue is not an administrative choice; it's purely
a functional problem of the device advertising that it supports PME#
but not actually being able to do it.  So if we can do this by fixing
dev->pme_support (i.e., the copy of what it advertised), I'd rather do
that.

Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-14 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13  4:08 [PATCH v18 0/2] Add quirk for PCIe root port on AMD systems Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  4:08 ` [PATCH v18 1/2] PCI: Move the `PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_USB_USB4` definition to common header Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13 10:34   ` Mika Westerberg
2023-09-13  4:08 ` [PATCH v18 2/2] PCI: Add a quirk for AMD PCIe root ports w/ USB4 controllers Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  4:25   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13  4:43     ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  8:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 14:31       ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13 16:36         ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 14:17           ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 14:31             ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 14:53               ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 15:33                 ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2023-09-14 16:05                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-14 19:04                   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 19:09                     ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13  9:56   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-13 10:17   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-13 10:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 15:40     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-13 16:35       ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13 17:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 21:05           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-13 21:16             ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14  4:59               ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 12:32                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-14 13:57                   ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-15  0:55                 ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-15  1:24                   ` Bjorn Helgaas

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