Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Bjorn Helgaas]

[+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
will have a chance to chime in]

On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> 
>         PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>                         |
>                         v
>         PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>                         |
>                         v
>         PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>                         |
>                         v
>                 PCIe endpoint driver
> 
> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> will find it to be disabled.

I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?

> So it will allow the parent (controller
> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.

Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?

rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
so .child_count should be relevant.

But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
leads to devices that are not suspended.

> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.

What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
suspended?

> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.

IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?

> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> ---
> Changes in v4:

(Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
offset).

> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> Changes in v3:
> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>   as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> - Updated the commit message.
> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> Changes in v2:
> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> ---
> 
> ---
>  drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>  	}
>  
>  	pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> +
> +	pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> +	devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> +
>  	return 0;
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> 
> ---
> base-commit: 1613e604df0cd359cf2a7fbd9be7a0bcfacfabd0
> change-id: 20240708-runtime_pm-978ccbca6130
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> 

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Krishna Chaitanya Chundru]

On 8/17/2024 2:15 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> will have a chance to chime in]
> 
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
>>
>>          PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>          PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>          PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>                  PCIe endpoint driver
>>
>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
>> will find it to be disabled.
> 
> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> 
yes host bridge runtime PM is disabled.
>> So it will allow the parent (controller
>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> 
> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> 
> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> so .child_count should be relevant.
>
Ack.
> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> leads to devices that are not suspended.
> >> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> 
> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> suspended?
>
yes and it depends on the runtime suspend implementation of the
controller driver.

>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> 
> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> 
yes bjorn this is correct.
>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>> ---
>> Changes in v4:
> 
> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> offset).
> 
Based upon the further comments I will send a v5. If there is no
response from Rafael can you apply this patch by correcting that offset.

- Krishna Chaitanya.
>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
>> Changes in v3:
>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>>    as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
>> - Updated the commit message.
>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
>> Changes in v2:
>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
>> ---
>>
>> ---
>>   drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>>   1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>>   	}
>>   
>>   	pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
>> +
>> +	pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
>> +	devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
>> +
>>   	return 0;
>>   }
>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
>>
>> ---
>> base-commit: 1613e604df0cd359cf2a7fbd9be7a0bcfacfabd0
>> change-id: 20240708-runtime_pm-978ccbca6130
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
>> Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>>

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Krishna Chaitanya Chundru]

On 8/17/2024 2:15 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> will have a chance to chime in]
> 
Rafael,

Can you please check on this behavior?

- Krishna Chaitanya.
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
>>
>>          PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>          PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>          PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>>                          |
>>                          v
>>                  PCIe endpoint driver
>>
>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
>> will find it to be disabled.
> 
> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> 
>> So it will allow the parent (controller
>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> 
> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> 
> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> so .child_count should be relevant.
> 
> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> leads to devices that are not suspended.
> 
>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> 
> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> suspended?
> 
>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> 
> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> 
>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>> ---
>> Changes in v4:
> 
> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> offset).
> 
>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
>> Changes in v3:
>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>>    as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
>> - Updated the commit message.
>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
>> Changes in v2:
>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
>> ---
>>
>> ---
>>   drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>>   1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>>   	}
>>   
>>   	pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
>> +
>> +	pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
>> +	devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
>> +
>>   	return 0;
>>   }
>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
>>
>> ---
>> base-commit: 1613e604df0cd359cf2a7fbd9be7a0bcfacfabd0
>> change-id: 20240708-runtime_pm-978ccbca6130
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
>> Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>>

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:59 AM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
<quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2024 2:15 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> > versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> > will have a chance to chime in]
> >
> Rafael,
>
> Can you please check on this behavior?

Please see my reply to Bjorn's message, sorry for the delay.

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> will have a chance to chime in]
>
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> > The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> > PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> >
> >         PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> >                         |
> >                         v
> >         PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> >                         |
> >                         v
> >         PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> >                         |
> >                         v
> >                 PCIe endpoint driver
> >
> > Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> > will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> > will find it to be disabled.
>
> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
>
> > So it will allow the parent (controller
> > device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> > 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
>
> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
>
> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> so .child_count should be relevant.
>
> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> leads to devices that are not suspended.

That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.

> > Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> > devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> > for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> > the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> > of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> > breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> > runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.

Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?

> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> suspended?
>
> > So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> > goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.

This by itself makes sense to me.

> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
>
> > Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> > ---
> > Changes in v4:
>
> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> offset).
>
> > - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> > - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> > Changes in v3:
> > - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> >   as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> > - Updated the commit message.
> > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> > Changes in v2:
> > - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> > ---
> >
> > ---
> >  drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> > --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> >       }
> >
> >       pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> > +
> > +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> > +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> > +
> >       return 0;
> >  }
> >  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);

This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
suspend too after this change.

If this is the intended behavior, I would suggest saying that
explicitly in the changelog.

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Krishna Chaitanya Chundru]

On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
>> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
>> will have a chance to chime in]
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
>>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
>>>
>>>          PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>>>                          |
>>>                          v
>>>          PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>>>                          |
>>>                          v
>>>          PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>>>                          |
>>>                          v
>>>                  PCIe endpoint driver
>>>
>>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
>>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
>>> will find it to be disabled.
>>
>> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
>> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
>>
>>> So it will allow the parent (controller
>>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
>>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
>>
>> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
>> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
>>
>> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
>> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
>> so .child_count should be relevant.
>>
>> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
>> leads to devices that are not suspended.
> 
> That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
> 
>>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
>>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
>>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
>>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
>>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
>>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
>>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> 
> Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
> 
PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state, 
remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
the client drivers already runtime suspended.
>> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
>> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
>> suspended?
>>
>>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
>>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> 
> This by itself makes sense to me.
> 
>> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
>> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
>> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
>> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
>> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>>> ---
>>> Changes in v4:
>>
>> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
>> offset).
>>
>>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
>>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
>>> Changes in v3:
>>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>>>    as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
>>> - Updated the commit message.
>>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
>>> Changes in v2:
>>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
>>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
>>> ---
>>>
>>> ---
>>>   drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>>>   1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
>>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>>>        }
>>>
>>>        pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
>>> +
>>> +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
>>> +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
>>> +
>>>        return 0;
>>>   }
>>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> 
> This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> suspend too after this change.
> 
No we are having a different observations here.
Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend 
without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
client drivers are active.
After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
the expected behaviour.

- Krishna Chaitanya.
> If this is the intended behavior, I would suggest saying that
> explicitly in the changelog.

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
<quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> >> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> >> will have a chance to chime in]
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> >>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> >>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> >>>
> >>>          PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> >>>                          |
> >>>                          v
> >>>          PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> >>>                          |
> >>>                          v
> >>>          PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> >>>                          |
> >>>                          v
> >>>                  PCIe endpoint driver
> >>>
> >>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> >>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> >>> will find it to be disabled.
> >>
> >> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> >> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> >>
> >>> So it will allow the parent (controller
> >>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> >>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> >>
> >> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> >> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> >>
> >> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> >> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> >> so .child_count should be relevant.
> >>
> >> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> >> leads to devices that are not suspended.
> >
> > That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
> >
> >>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> >>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> >>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> >>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> >>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> >>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> >>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> >
> > Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
> >
> PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
> remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
> the client drivers already runtime suspended.

Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.

> >> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> >> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> >> suspended?
> >>
> >>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> >>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> >
> > This by itself makes sense to me.
> >
> >> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> >> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> >> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> >> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> >> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> >>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> >>> ---
> >>> Changes in v4:
> >>
> >> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> >> offset).
> >>
> >>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> >>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> >>> Changes in v3:
> >>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> >>>    as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> >>> - Updated the commit message.
> >>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> >>> Changes in v2:
> >>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> >>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>   drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> >>>   1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> >>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> >>>        }
> >>>
> >>>        pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> >>> +
> >>> +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> >>> +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> >>> +
> >>>        return 0;
> >>>   }
> >>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> >
> > This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> > runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> > suspend too after this change.
> >
> No we are having a different observations here.
> Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
> without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
> client drivers are active.
> After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
> suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
> the expected behaviour.

OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Krishna Chaitanya Chundru]

On 9/12/2024 5:27 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
>>>> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
>>>> will have a chance to chime in]
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>>>>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
>>>>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
>>>>>
>>>>>           PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>>>>>                           |
>>>>>                           v
>>>>>           PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>>>>>                           |
>>>>>                           v
>>>>>           PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>>>>>                           |
>>>>>                           v
>>>>>                   PCIe endpoint driver
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
>>>>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
>>>>> will find it to be disabled.
>>>>
>>>> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
>>>> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
>>>>
>>>>> So it will allow the parent (controller
>>>>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
>>>>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
>>>>
>>>> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
>>>> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
>>>>
>>>> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
>>>> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
>>>> so .child_count should be relevant.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
>>>> leads to devices that are not suspended.
>>>
>>> That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
>>>
>>>>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
>>>>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
>>>>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
>>>>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
>>>>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
>>>>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
>>>>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
>>>
>>> Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
>>>
>> PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
>> remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
>> the client drivers already runtime suspended.
> 
> Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
> children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
> children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.
> 
we are trying to enable the runtime PM of host bridge here, so that we
can enable runtime PM of the controller.
If this change got accepted the child here(host bridge) runtime pm will
be enabled then i think there will no issue in enabling the runtime pm
of the controller then.
>>>> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
>>>> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
>>>> suspended?
>>>>
>>>>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
>>>>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
>>>
>>> This by itself makes sense to me.
>>>
>>>> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
>>>> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
>>>> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
>>>> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
>>>> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Changes in v4:
>>>>
>>>> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
>>>> offset).
>>>>
>>>>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
>>>>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
>>>>> Changes in v3:
>>>>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>>>>>     as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
>>>>> - Updated the commit message.
>>>>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
>>>>> Changes in v2:
>>>>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
>>>>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>    drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>>>>>    1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
>>>>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>>>>>         }
>>>>>
>>>>>         pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
>>>>> +
>>>>> +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
>>>>> +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
>>>>> +
>>>>>         return 0;
>>>>>    }
>>>>>    EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
>>>
>>> This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
>>> runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
>>> suspend too after this change.
>>>
>> No we are having a different observations here.
>> Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
>> without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
>> client drivers are active.
>> After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
>> suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
>> the expected behaviour.
> 
> OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?
sorry I am not expert of the pm framework here, what we observed is when
client drivers are trying to resume using runtime_get we see the 
controller driver is also getting resume properly with this change.
let me dig in and see in code on how this is happening.

Bjorn has this view on this change in previous v2 version[1]
"My expectation is that adding new functionality should only require
changes in drivers that want to take advantage of it.  For example, if
we add runtime PM support in the controller driver, the result should
be functionally correct even if we don't update drivers for downstream
devices.

If that's not the way it works, I suggest that would be a problem in
the PM framework.

The host bridge might be a special case because we don't have a
separate "host bridge" driver; that code is kind of integrated with
the controller drivers.  So maybe it's OK to do controller + host
bridge runtime PM support at the same time, as long as any time we add
runtime PM to a controller, we sure it's also set up for the host
bridge"

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240307215505.GA632869@bhelgaas/

- Krishna Chaitanya.

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
<quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 9/12/2024 5:27 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> > <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> >>>> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> >>>> will have a chance to chime in]
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> >>>>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> >>>>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> >>>>>                           |
> >>>>>                           v
> >>>>>           PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> >>>>>                           |
> >>>>>                           v
> >>>>>           PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> >>>>>                           |
> >>>>>                           v
> >>>>>                   PCIe endpoint driver
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> >>>>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> >>>>> will find it to be disabled.
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> >>>> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> >>>>
> >>>>> So it will allow the parent (controller
> >>>>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> >>>>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> >>>> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> >>>>
> >>>> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> >>>> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> >>>> so .child_count should be relevant.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> >>>> leads to devices that are not suspended.
> >>>
> >>> That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
> >>>
> >>>>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> >>>>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> >>>>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> >>>>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> >>>>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> >>>>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> >>>>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> >>>
> >>> Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
> >>>
> >> PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
> >> remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
> >> the client drivers already runtime suspended.
> >
> > Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
> > children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
> > children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.
> >
> we are trying to enable the runtime PM of host bridge here, so that we
> can enable runtime PM of the controller.

So this is a preliminary step.  That was unclear to me.

> If this change got accepted the child here(host bridge) runtime pm will
> be enabled then i think there will no issue in enabling the runtime pm
> of the controller then.
> >>>> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> >>>> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> >>>> suspended?
> >>>>
> >>>>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> >>>>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> >>>
> >>> This by itself makes sense to me.
> >>>
> >>>> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> >>>> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> >>>> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> >>>> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> >>>> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> >>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Changes in v4:
> >>>>
> >>>> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> >>>> offset).
> >>>>
> >>>>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> >>>>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> >>>>> Changes in v3:
> >>>>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> >>>>>     as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> >>>>> - Updated the commit message.
> >>>>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> >>>>> Changes in v2:
> >>>>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> >>>>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>    drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> >>>>>    1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>>>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> >>>>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>>>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> >>>>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> >>>>>         }
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> >>>>> +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> >>>>> +
> >>>>>         return 0;
> >>>>>    }
> >>>>>    EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> >>>
> >>> This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> >>> runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> >>> suspend too after this change.
> >>>
> >> No we are having a different observations here.
> >> Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
> >> without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
> >> client drivers are active.
> >> After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
> >> suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
> >> the expected behaviour.
> >
> > OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?
>
> sorry I am not expert of the pm framework here, what we observed is when
> client drivers are trying to resume using runtime_get we see the
> controller driver is also getting resume properly with this change.
> let me dig in and see in code on how this is happening.
>
> Bjorn has this view on this change in previous v2 version[1]
> "My expectation is that adding new functionality should only require
> changes in drivers that want to take advantage of it.  For example, if
> we add runtime PM support in the controller driver, the result should
> be functionally correct even if we don't update drivers for downstream
> devices.
>
> If that's not the way it works, I suggest that would be a problem in
> the PM framework.

You can say so, but that's how it goes.

If there are any devices with runtime PM disabled in a dependency
chain, the runtime PM framework cannot follow that chain as a whole.
If enabling runtime PM for a device leads to this situation, it is not
correct.

> The host bridge might be a special case because we don't have a
> separate "host bridge" driver; that code is kind of integrated with
> the controller drivers.  So maybe it's OK to do controller + host
> bridge runtime PM support at the same time, as long as any time we add
> runtime PM to a controller, we sure it's also set up for the host
> bridge"

I think that you can enable runtime PM for host bridge devices in
general, as long as they don't need to be resumed without resuming any
of their children.

If that's the case, resuming one of its children will also cause the
host bridge to resume and all should be fine, although you also need
to ensure that system-wide suspend handling is in agreement with this.

I would suggest calling pm_runtime_no_callbacks() for the host bridge device.

> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240307215505.GA632869@bhelgaas/

And this is the information to put into your patch changelog:

1. It is a property of the runtime PM framework that it can only
follow continuous dependency chains.  That is, if there is a device
with runtime PM disabled in a dependency chain, runtime PM cannot be
enabled for devices below it and above it in that chain both at the
same time.

2. Because of the above, in order to enable runtime PM for a PCIe
controller device, one needs to ensure that runtime PM is enabled for
all devices in every dependency chain between it and any PCIe endpoint
(as runtime PM is enabled for PCIe endpoints).

3. This means that runtime PM needs to be enabled for the host bridge
device, which is present in all of these dependency chains.

4. After this change, the host bridge device will be runtime-suspended
by the runtime PM framework automatically after suspending its last
child and it will be runtime-resumed automatically before resuming its
first child which will allow the runtime PM framework to track
dependencies between the host bridge device and all of its
descendants.

Thanks!

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Krishna Chaitanya Chundru]

Hi Bjorn,

when you get time can you look into this.
if there are no further concerns I will respin this patch.

- Krishna Chaitanya.

On 9/12/2024 9:00 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/12/2024 5:27 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
>>> <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
>>>>>> versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
>>>>>> will have a chance to chime in]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
>>>>>>> The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
>>>>>>> PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
>>>>>>>                            |
>>>>>>>                            v
>>>>>>>            PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
>>>>>>>                            |
>>>>>>>                            v
>>>>>>>            PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
>>>>>>>                            |
>>>>>>>                            v
>>>>>>>                    PCIe endpoint driver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
>>>>>>> will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
>>>>>>> will find it to be disabled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
>>>>>> has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So it will allow the parent (controller
>>>>>>> device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
>>>>>>> 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
>>>>>> framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
>>>>>> like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
>>>>>> so .child_count should be relevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
>>>>>> leads to devices that are not suspended.
>>>>>
>>>>> That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
>>>>>>> devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
>>>>>>> for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
>>>>>>> the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
>>>>>>> of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
>>>>>>> breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
>>>>>>> runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
>>>>>
>>>> PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
>>>> remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
>>>> the client drivers already runtime suspended.
>>>
>>> Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
>>> children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
>>> children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.
>>>
>> we are trying to enable the runtime PM of host bridge here, so that we
>> can enable runtime PM of the controller.
> 
> So this is a preliminary step.  That was unclear to me.
> 
>> If this change got accepted the child here(host bridge) runtime pm will
>> be enabled then i think there will no issue in enabling the runtime pm
>> of the controller then.
>>>>>> What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
>>>>>> the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
>>>>>> suspended?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
>>>>>>> goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
>>>>>
>>>>> This by itself makes sense to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
>>>>>> host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
>>>>>> active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
>>>>>> host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
>>>>>> below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Changes in v4:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
>>>>>> offset).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
>>>>>>> - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
>>>>>>> Changes in v3:
>>>>>>> - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
>>>>>>>      as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
>>>>>>> - Updated the commit message.
>>>>>>> - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
>>>>>>> Changes in v2:
>>>>>>> - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
>>>>>>> - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>     drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
>>>>>>>     1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>>>> index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
>>>>>>> @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
>>>>>>>          }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
>>>>>>> +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>          return 0;
>>>>>>>     }
>>>>>>>     EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
>>>>>
>>>>> This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
>>>>> runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
>>>>> suspend too after this change.
>>>>>
>>>> No we are having a different observations here.
>>>> Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
>>>> without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
>>>> client drivers are active.
>>>> After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
>>>> suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
>>>> the expected behaviour.
>>>
>>> OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?
>>
>> sorry I am not expert of the pm framework here, what we observed is when
>> client drivers are trying to resume using runtime_get we see the
>> controller driver is also getting resume properly with this change.
>> let me dig in and see in code on how this is happening.
>>
>> Bjorn has this view on this change in previous v2 version[1]
>> "My expectation is that adding new functionality should only require
>> changes in drivers that want to take advantage of it.  For example, if
>> we add runtime PM support in the controller driver, the result should
>> be functionally correct even if we don't update drivers for downstream
>> devices.
>>
>> If that's not the way it works, I suggest that would be a problem in
>> the PM framework.
> 
> You can say so, but that's how it goes.
> 
> If there are any devices with runtime PM disabled in a dependency
> chain, the runtime PM framework cannot follow that chain as a whole.
> If enabling runtime PM for a device leads to this situation, it is not
> correct.
> 
>> The host bridge might be a special case because we don't have a
>> separate "host bridge" driver; that code is kind of integrated with
>> the controller drivers.  So maybe it's OK to do controller + host
>> bridge runtime PM support at the same time, as long as any time we add
>> runtime PM to a controller, we sure it's also set up for the host
>> bridge"
> 
> I think that you can enable runtime PM for host bridge devices in
> general, as long as they don't need to be resumed without resuming any
> of their children.
> 
> If that's the case, resuming one of its children will also cause the
> host bridge to resume and all should be fine, although you also need
> to ensure that system-wide suspend handling is in agreement with this.
> 
> I would suggest calling pm_runtime_no_callbacks() for the host bridge device.
> 
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240307215505.GA632869@bhelgaas/
> 
> And this is the information to put into your patch changelog:
> 
> 1. It is a property of the runtime PM framework that it can only
> follow continuous dependency chains.  That is, if there is a device
> with runtime PM disabled in a dependency chain, runtime PM cannot be
> enabled for devices below it and above it in that chain both at the
> same time.
> 
> 2. Because of the above, in order to enable runtime PM for a PCIe
> controller device, one needs to ensure that runtime PM is enabled for
> all devices in every dependency chain between it and any PCIe endpoint
> (as runtime PM is enabled for PCIe endpoints).
> 
> 3. This means that runtime PM needs to be enabled for the host bridge
> device, which is present in all of these dependency chains.
> 
> 4. After this change, the host bridge device will be runtime-suspended
> by the runtime PM framework automatically after suspending its last
> child and it will be runtime-resumed automatically before resuming its
> first child which will allow the runtime PM framework to track
> dependencies between the host bridge device and all of its
> descendants.
> 
> Thanks!

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Manivannan Sadhasivam]

On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 09:26:51AM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
> Hi Bjorn,
> 
> when you get time can you look into this.
> if there are no further concerns I will respin this patch.
> 

Please do not top post.

FWIW, suggestions from Rafael makes sense to me. Thanks Rafael!

- Mani

> - Krishna Chaitanya.
> 
> On 9/12/2024 9:00 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> > <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9/12/2024 5:27 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> > > > <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> > > > > > > versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> > > > > > > will have a chance to chime in]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> > > > > > > > PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >            PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >            PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >            PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >                    PCIe endpoint driver
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> > > > > > > > will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> > > > > > > > will find it to be disabled.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> > > > > > > has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So it will allow the parent (controller
> > > > > > > > device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> > > > > > > > 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> > > > > > > framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> > > > > > > like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> > > > > > > so .child_count should be relevant.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> > > > > > > leads to devices that are not suspended.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> > > > > > > > devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> > > > > > > > for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> > > > > > > > the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> > > > > > > > of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> > > > > > > > breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> > > > > > > > runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
> > > > > remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
> > > > > the client drivers already runtime suspended.
> > > > 
> > > > Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
> > > > children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
> > > > children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.
> > > > 
> > > we are trying to enable the runtime PM of host bridge here, so that we
> > > can enable runtime PM of the controller.
> > 
> > So this is a preliminary step.  That was unclear to me.
> > 
> > > If this change got accepted the child here(host bridge) runtime pm will
> > > be enabled then i think there will no issue in enabling the runtime pm
> > > of the controller then.
> > > > > > > What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> > > > > > > the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> > > > > > > suspended?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> > > > > > > > goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This by itself makes sense to me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> > > > > > > host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> > > > > > > active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> > > > > > > host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> > > > > > > below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > Changes in v4:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> > > > > > > offset).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> > > > > > > > - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> > > > > > > > Changes in v3:
> > > > > > > > - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> > > > > > > >      as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> > > > > > > > - Updated the commit message.
> > > > > > > > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> > > > > > > > Changes in v2:
> > > > > > > > - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> > > > > > > > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > >     drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> > > > > > > >     1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> > > > > > > >          }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> > > > > > > > +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > >          return 0;
> > > > > > > >     }
> > > > > > > >     EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> > > > > > runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> > > > > > suspend too after this change.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > No we are having a different observations here.
> > > > > Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
> > > > > without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
> > > > > client drivers are active.
> > > > > After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
> > > > > suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
> > > > > the expected behaviour.
> > > > 
> > > > OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?
> > > 
> > > sorry I am not expert of the pm framework here, what we observed is when
> > > client drivers are trying to resume using runtime_get we see the
> > > controller driver is also getting resume properly with this change.
> > > let me dig in and see in code on how this is happening.
> > > 
> > > Bjorn has this view on this change in previous v2 version[1]
> > > "My expectation is that adding new functionality should only require
> > > changes in drivers that want to take advantage of it.  For example, if
> > > we add runtime PM support in the controller driver, the result should
> > > be functionally correct even if we don't update drivers for downstream
> > > devices.
> > > 
> > > If that's not the way it works, I suggest that would be a problem in
> > > the PM framework.
> > 
> > You can say so, but that's how it goes.
> > 
> > If there are any devices with runtime PM disabled in a dependency
> > chain, the runtime PM framework cannot follow that chain as a whole.
> > If enabling runtime PM for a device leads to this situation, it is not
> > correct.
> > 
> > > The host bridge might be a special case because we don't have a
> > > separate "host bridge" driver; that code is kind of integrated with
> > > the controller drivers.  So maybe it's OK to do controller + host
> > > bridge runtime PM support at the same time, as long as any time we add
> > > runtime PM to a controller, we sure it's also set up for the host
> > > bridge"
> > 
> > I think that you can enable runtime PM for host bridge devices in
> > general, as long as they don't need to be resumed without resuming any
> > of their children.
> > 
> > If that's the case, resuming one of its children will also cause the
> > host bridge to resume and all should be fine, although you also need
> > to ensure that system-wide suspend handling is in agreement with this.
> > 
> > I would suggest calling pm_runtime_no_callbacks() for the host bridge device.
> > 
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240307215505.GA632869@bhelgaas/
> > 
> > And this is the information to put into your patch changelog:
> > 
> > 1. It is a property of the runtime PM framework that it can only
> > follow continuous dependency chains.  That is, if there is a device
> > with runtime PM disabled in a dependency chain, runtime PM cannot be
> > enabled for devices below it and above it in that chain both at the
> > same time.
> > 
> > 2. Because of the above, in order to enable runtime PM for a PCIe
> > controller device, one needs to ensure that runtime PM is enabled for
> > all devices in every dependency chain between it and any PCIe endpoint
> > (as runtime PM is enabled for PCIe endpoints).
> > 
> > 3. This means that runtime PM needs to be enabled for the host bridge
> > device, which is present in all of these dependency chains.
> > 
> > 4. After this change, the host bridge device will be runtime-suspended
> > by the runtime PM framework automatically after suspending its last
> > child and it will be runtime-resumed automatically before resuming its
> > first child which will allow the runtime PM framework to track
> > dependencies between the host bridge device and all of its
> > descendants.
> > 
> > Thanks!

-- 
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Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Bjorn Helgaas]

On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 09:26:51AM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
> when you get time can you look into this.
> if there are no further concerns I will respin this patch.

None from me.  If Rafael thinks it's good, and your patch follows his
suggestions, we should be good to go.

> On 9/12/2024 9:00 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> > <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 9/12/2024 5:27 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:52 PM Krishna Chaitanya Chundru
> > > > <quic_krichai@quicinc.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 9/12/2024 5:12 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> > > > > > > versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> > > > > > > will have a chance to chime in]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> > > > > > > > PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >            PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >            PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >            PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> > > > > > > >                            |
> > > > > > > >                            v
> > > > > > > >                    PCIe endpoint driver
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> > > > > > > > will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> > > > > > > > will find it to be disabled.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> > > > > > > has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So it will allow the parent (controller
> > > > > > > > device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> > > > > > > > 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> > > > > > > framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> > > > > > > like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> > > > > > > so .child_count should be relevant.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> > > > > > > leads to devices that are not suspended.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> > > > > > > > devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> > > > > > > > for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> > > > > > > > the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> > > > > > > > of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> > > > > > > > breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> > > > > > > > runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > PCIe controller can do certain actions like keeping low power state,
> > > > > remove bandwidth votes etc as part of runtime suspend as when we know
> > > > > the client drivers already runtime suspended.
> > > > 
> > > > Surely they can, but enabling runtime PM for devices that have
> > > > children with runtime PM disabled and where those children have
> > > > children with runtime PM enabled is a bug.
> > > > 
> > > we are trying to enable the runtime PM of host bridge here, so that we
> > > can enable runtime PM of the controller.
> > 
> > So this is a preliminary step.  That was unclear to me.
> > 
> > > If this change got accepted the child here(host bridge) runtime pm will
> > > be enabled then i think there will no issue in enabling the runtime pm
> > > of the controller then.
> > > > > > > What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> > > > > > > the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> > > > > > > suspended?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> > > > > > > > goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This by itself makes sense to me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> > > > > > > host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> > > > > > > active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> > > > > > > host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> > > > > > > below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > Changes in v4:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> > > > > > > offset).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> > > > > > > > - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> > > > > > > > Changes in v3:
> > > > > > > > - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> > > > > > > >      as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> > > > > > > > - Updated the commit message.
> > > > > > > > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> > > > > > > > Changes in v2:
> > > > > > > > - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> > > > > > > > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > >     drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> > > > > > > >     1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> > > > > > > >          }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> > > > > > > > +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > >          return 0;
> > > > > > > >     }
> > > > > > > >     EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> > > > > > runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> > > > > > suspend too after this change.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > No we are having a different observations here.
> > > > > Without this change the PCIe controller driver can go to runtime suspend
> > > > > without considering the state of the client drivers i.e even when the
> > > > > client drivers are active.
> > > > > After adding this change we see the pcie controller is getting runtime
> > > > > suspended only after the client drivers are runtime suspended which is
> > > > > the expected behaviour.
> > > > 
> > > > OK, but then when and how is it going to be resumed?
> > > 
> > > sorry I am not expert of the pm framework here, what we observed is when
> > > client drivers are trying to resume using runtime_get we see the
> > > controller driver is also getting resume properly with this change.
> > > let me dig in and see in code on how this is happening.
> > > 
> > > Bjorn has this view on this change in previous v2 version[1]
> > > "My expectation is that adding new functionality should only require
> > > changes in drivers that want to take advantage of it.  For example, if
> > > we add runtime PM support in the controller driver, the result should
> > > be functionally correct even if we don't update drivers for downstream
> > > devices.
> > > 
> > > If that's not the way it works, I suggest that would be a problem in
> > > the PM framework.
> > 
> > You can say so, but that's how it goes.
> > 
> > If there are any devices with runtime PM disabled in a dependency
> > chain, the runtime PM framework cannot follow that chain as a whole.
> > If enabling runtime PM for a device leads to this situation, it is not
> > correct.
> > 
> > > The host bridge might be a special case because we don't have a
> > > separate "host bridge" driver; that code is kind of integrated with
> > > the controller drivers.  So maybe it's OK to do controller + host
> > > bridge runtime PM support at the same time, as long as any time we add
> > > runtime PM to a controller, we sure it's also set up for the host
> > > bridge"
> > 
> > I think that you can enable runtime PM for host bridge devices in
> > general, as long as they don't need to be resumed without resuming any
> > of their children.
> > 
> > If that's the case, resuming one of its children will also cause the
> > host bridge to resume and all should be fine, although you also need
> > to ensure that system-wide suspend handling is in agreement with this.
> > 
> > I would suggest calling pm_runtime_no_callbacks() for the host bridge device.
> > 
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240307215505.GA632869@bhelgaas/
> > 
> > And this is the information to put into your patch changelog:
> > 
> > 1. It is a property of the runtime PM framework that it can only
> > follow continuous dependency chains.  That is, if there is a device
> > with runtime PM disabled in a dependency chain, runtime PM cannot be
> > enabled for devices below it and above it in that chain both at the
> > same time.
> > 
> > 2. Because of the above, in order to enable runtime PM for a PCIe
> > controller device, one needs to ensure that runtime PM is enabled for
> > all devices in every dependency chain between it and any PCIe endpoint
> > (as runtime PM is enabled for PCIe endpoints).
> > 
> > 3. This means that runtime PM needs to be enabled for the host bridge
> > device, which is present in all of these dependency chains.
> > 
> > 4. After this change, the host bridge device will be runtime-suspended
> > by the runtime PM framework automatically after suspending its last
> > child and it will be runtime-resumed automatically before resuming its
> > first child which will allow the runtime PM framework to track
> > dependencies between the host bridge device and all of its
> > descendants.
> > 
> > Thanks!

Re: [PATCH v4] PCI: Enable runtime pm of the host bridge

[Rafael J. Wysocki]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:42 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > [+cc Rafael, Mayank, Markus (when people have commented on previous
> > versions, please cc them on new versions).  I'm still hoping Rafael
> > will have a chance to chime in]
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:19:40AM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:
> > > The Controller driver is the parent device of the PCIe host bridge,
> > > PCI-PCI bridge and PCIe endpoint as shown below.
> > >
> > >         PCIe controller(Top level parent & parent of host bridge)
> > >                         |
> > >                         v
> > >         PCIe Host bridge(Parent of PCI-PCI bridge)
> > >                         |
> > >                         v
> > >         PCI-PCI bridge(Parent of endpoint driver)
> > >                         |
> > >                         v
> > >                 PCIe endpoint driver
> > >
> > > Now, when the controller device goes to runtime suspend, PM framework
> > > will check the runtime PM state of the child device (host bridge) and
> > > will find it to be disabled.
> >
> > I guess "will find it to be disabled"  means the child (host bridge)
> > has runtime PM disabled, not that the child device is disabled, right?
> >
> > > So it will allow the parent (controller
> > > device) to go to runtime suspend. Only if the child device's state was
> > > 'active' it will prevent the parent to get suspended.
> >
> > Can we include a hint like the name of the function where the PM
> > framework decides this?  Maybe this is rpm_check_suspend_allowed()?
> >
> > rpm_check_suspend_allowed()  checks ".ignore_children", which sounds
> > like it could be related, and AFAICS .ignore_children == false here,
> > so .child_count should be relevant.
> >
> > But I'm still confused about why we can runtime suspend a bridge that
> > leads to devices that are not suspended.
>
> That should only be possible if runtime PM is disabled for those devices.
>
> > > Since runtime PM is disabled for host bridge, the state of the child
> > > devices under the host bridge is not taken into account by PM framework
> > > for the top level parent, PCIe controller. So PM framework, allows
> > > the controller driver to enter runtime PM irrespective of the state
> > > of the devices under the host bridge. And this causes the topology
> > > breakage and also possible PM issues like controller driver goes to
> > > runtime suspend while endpoint driver is doing some transfers.
>
> Why is it a good idea to enable runtime PM for a PCIe controller?
>
> > What does "topology breakage" mean?  Do you mean something other than
> > the fact that an endpoint DMA might fail if the controller is
> > suspended?
> >
> > > So enable runtime PM for the host bridge, so that controller driver
> > > goes to suspend only when all child devices goes to runtime suspend.
>
> This by itself makes sense to me.
>
> > IIUC, the one-sentence description here is that previously, the PCI
> > host controller could be runtime suspended even while an endpoint was
> > active, which caused DMA failures.  And this patch changes that so the
> > host controller is only runtime suspended after the entire hierarchy
> > below it is runtime suspended?  Is that right?
> >
> > > Signed-off-by: Krishna chaitanya chundru <quic_krichai@quicinc.com>
> > > ---
> > > Changes in v4:
> >
> > (Note: v4 applies cleanly to v6.10-rc1 and to v6.11-rc1 with a small
> > offset).
> >
> > > - Changed pm_runtime_enable() to devm_pm_runtime_enable() (suggested by mayank)
> > > - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240609-runtime_pm-v3-1-3d0460b49d60@quicinc.com/
> > > Changes in v3:
> > > - Moved the runtime API call's from the dwc driver to PCI framework
> > >   as it is applicable for all (suggested by mani)
> > > - Updated the commit message.
> > > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305-runtime_pm_enable-v2-1-a849b74091d1@quicinc.com
> > > Changes in v2:
> > > - Updated commit message as suggested by mani.
> > > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240219-runtime_pm_enable-v1-1-d39660310504@quicinc.com
> > > ---
> > >
> > > ---
> > >  drivers/pci/probe.c | 4 ++++
> > >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/drivers/pci/probe.c b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > index 8e696e547565..fd49563a44d9 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/pci/probe.c
> > > @@ -3096,6 +3096,10 @@ int pci_host_probe(struct pci_host_bridge *bridge)
> > >       }
> > >
> > >       pci_bus_add_devices(bus);
> > > +
> > > +     pm_runtime_set_active(&bridge->dev);
> > > +     devm_pm_runtime_enable(&bridge->dev);
> > > +
> > >       return 0;
> > >  }
> > >  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pci_host_probe);
>
> This will effectively prevent the host bridge from being
> runtime-suspended at all IIUC, so the PCIe controller will never
> suspend too after this change.

Actually, scratch this.  rpm_idle() will suspend the host bridge when
its last child suspends.

However, how is it going to be resumed?