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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Zihuan Zhang <zhangzihuan@kylinos.cn>,
	pavel@kernel.org, len.brown@intel.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] PM / Freezer: Skip zombie/dead processes to
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 10:19:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250704081941.GC2001818@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0j29Nu2nitmj6tPhOQYuSaHBtXQVR21ikDtrxpejPdW8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 07:15:23PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> > How realistic is it to have a significant amount of zombies when
> > freezing? This seems like an artificial corner case at best.
> >
> > Zombie tasks are stuck waiting on their parent to consume their exit
> > state or something, right? And those parents being frozen, they pretty
> > much stay there.
> >
> > So I suppose the logic holds, but urgh, do we really need this?
> 
> Unlikely in practice, but the code change is small and it would be
> prudent to get this addressed IMV (at least so we don't need to
> revisit it).
> 
> But I would ask for a comment above this check to explain that zombies
> need not be frozen.

Depending on where they wait (I can't seem to find in a hurry) it might
make sense to make that wait FREEZABLE anyway.

For example, AFAICT it wouldn't hurt, and might even help some, to make
kernel/exit.c:do_wait() TASK_FREEZABLE.

So where do ZOMBIEs sleep? Don't they simply pass through do_task_dead()
and never get scheduled again? Notably, do_task_dead() already marks the
tasks as PF_NOFREEZE.

Anyway, yes, the condition it adds is relatively simple, but I really
don't see why we should complicate things *at*all*.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-04  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 10:12 [PATCH v3 0/1] PM / Freezer: Skip zombie/dead processes to reduce Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-11 10:12 ` [PATCH v3 1/1] PM / Freezer: Skip zombie/dead processes to Zihuan Zhang
2025-07-03 14:15   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-07-03 16:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 17:15       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-07-04  1:45         ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-07-04  8:19         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-07-04  8:48           ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-07-04  9:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-07  1:00               ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-07-07  8:42                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-08  0:56                   ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-07-16 16:16                   ` Oleg Nesterov

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