From: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
"Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
Subject: [PATCH v2 RFC 13/13] sched/pelt: Always allow load updates
Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 03:00:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260504020003.71306-14-qyousef@layalina.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260504020003.71306-1-qyousef@layalina.io>
1024us period can cause a problem at dequeue if the last udpate (due to
tick) has happened less than this period. Running a periodic task I can
see the dequeued util_avg changing by 15-20 points due to this variation
- which on HMP system with small cores can mean a big jump in freqs.
Before
periodic-2977 util_avg
┌┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬┐
140.0┼┼─▐▀▛▜─▄▄▄▖─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼────────▄▄──▗▄▄▄──▗▄▄▄────────┼─────────┼─────────┼┤
││ ▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌ ▛▜▄ ▄▟▜▄▖ ▐▜▛▌ │▗▄ │ ▌▐ ▐ ▌▐ ▐│▌▐ ▛▙▄ ▗▄ ▐▜ │ ▗▄ ││
│▀▙▟ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌ ▌▐▐ ▐▜▌█▐▌█▜▛█▐▌▌ │▐▐ │ ▛▜▀▛▜▀▌▐▀▙▟ ▌▐ ▐│▌▐ ▌█▐ ▗▄▛█▐▛█▜▄▟▐ │ ▐▐▀▌▗▄▖ ││
││▌▐ ▌▐▄▌▐ ▌ ▌▐▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌ │▐▐ ▐▀▙▄ ▛▜▄▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▄▖▐│▌▐ ▌█▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▛▙▄ ▐▐ ▌▐ ▛▜││
129.5┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌──▌▐▐─▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▙▄▄▟▐──▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▛▜┼▌▐─▌█▐─▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─▐▐─▌▐─▌▐┼┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▛▜▀▌▐▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐│▛▐ ▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐▄▌█▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐▀▛▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐│▌▐▀▙▟ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐ ▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▙▟ ▌▐││
119.0┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐▐▛█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌█▐▄▟▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▄▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▀│
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▛▐▘█▐▌█▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▛▐▘█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐▘█▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐▘▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
108.5┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─█▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─█▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ █▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
││ │ ▝ ▘█▐▌█▝▘▘▝ ▀▝ ▘▝│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▘▝ │ │ ▝▐▌█▐▌█▝▘▘▝ ▀▝ ▘▝ ▘▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
98.0┼┼─────────┼───────▝▘┼──────────┼───▘▝─▌▐─▌▐─▌──────┼─────────┼───────▀▝▘┼─────────┼────▘▝─▘▝┼┤
└┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼─────────┼┘
2.00 2.11 2.22 2.33 2.44 2.56 2.67 2.78 2.89 3.00
After
periodic-2968 util_avg
┌┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬┐
139.0┼▄▖──▄▄▄▄▄▄▖─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼──────▗▄▄▟▀▛▜▀▛▜▄▖─┼──────────┼─────────┼─────────┼┤
││▛▜▀▌▐ ▌▐ ▛▜▀▙▄ ▄▟▀▛▜▄ │ │ ▐▀▛▜ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▛▜▀▙▄ │ │ ││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▀▙▟▀▌▐ ▌▐▐▛█▜▛█▜▛█▜▛▙▄ │ ▄▞▜ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐▀▛▜ ▄▄▄▄▟▜▛█▜▛█▜▛█▜▛█▜▄▄▄││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▛█▜▛█▜▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐▀▛▜▀▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▛│
128.2┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌│
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌│
117.5┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▛▐▘█▐▌┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐ ▛▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▛▐▌│
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐ ▌▐ ▛▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐││
106.8┼┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐▐▌█▐▌▛▐▌█▐▌█▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐┼▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌▐─▌█▐▌█▐▌▛▐▌█▐▌▌▐─▌▐┼┤
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌▌▐│▌▐▌█▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐▘▌▐ ▌▐││
││▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐▐▌█▐▌▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▘▝ ▘ ▝ ▌▐│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌█▐▌█▐▌▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐││
││ │ ▝ ▘▐ ▘│ ▘▀▝▘▘▝│▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▝ │ │ ▝ ▘▝ ▌▐ ▌▐ ▌▜▐▌█▐▌▘▝ ▘▝ ▘▐ ▌▐││
96.0┼┼─────────┼──────▝──┼──────────┼────▝─▘▝─▘▐─▘──────┼─────────┼──────▘▐─▘▝─▘───────┼───────▘─┼┤
└┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼─────────┼─────────┼┘
2.00 2.11 2.22 2.33 2.44 2.56 2.67 2.78 2.89 3.00
Also the new util_est periodic detection logic can be thrown off by this
variation. With this fix it now stabilizes pretty well.
Before
periodic-2977 util_est.enqueued running
┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
157.0┤ ▙▄ ▗▄ ▗▄▄▄ ▗▄ ▗▄▄▄▗▄▄ ▗▄▄▖ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▖▖ ▄▄▄▄▄▖▖▝▙▄▄▄▄▄▄▖ ▗▄ │
119.5┤ ▗▄▌▘▀▀ ▀▀▀ ▝▀▀▘▝▀▀▀ ▝▀▘ ▝▀▀▘ ▀▝▀▘▀▀▀▘▝▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▘▝▝▀▀ ▀ ▝▝▀ ▀ ▀▀▀▀ │
82.0┤ ▟ │
│ ▌ │
44.5┤ ▌ │
7.0┤ ▗ ▗▖ ▌ │
└┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬┘
0.00 0.65 1.30 1.95 2.60 3.25 3.90 4.56 5.21 5.86
After
periodic-2968 util_est.enqueued running
┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
139.0┤ ▗▟▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ │
106.5┤ ▐▛ │
74.0┤ ▟ │
│ ▌ │
41.5┤ ▌ │
9.0┤ ▗▖ ▗▌ │
└┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬─────────┬─────────┬┘
0.00 0.65 1.30 1.95 2.60 3.25 3.90 4.55 5.20 5.85
Signed-off-by: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
---
I tried to do the update every 256us intead of every period, but this didn't
help to flatten util_est.
If doing the update always is too much, AND, I didn't miss something else that
could be contributing to this problem, would another sched feature to allow
those who want accuracy vs those who want minimal overhead take their pick?
kernel/sched/pelt.c | 3 +--
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/kernel/sched/pelt.c b/kernel/sched/pelt.c
index dbd450798b03..64f9e60023a9 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/pelt.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/pelt.c
@@ -224,8 +224,7 @@ ___update_load_sum(u64 now, struct sched_avg *sa,
* Step 1: accumulate *_sum since last_update_time. If we haven't
* crossed period boundaries, finish.
*/
- if (!accumulate_sum(delta, sa, load, runnable, running))
- return 0;
+ accumulate_sum(delta, sa, load, runnable, running);
return 1;
}
--
2.34.1
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-04 2:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-04 1:59 [PATCH v2 00/13] sched/fair/schedutil: Better manage system response time Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] sched: cpufreq: Rename map_util_perf to sugov_apply_dvfs_headroom Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate the future util_avg value Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] sched/fair: Remove magic hardcoded margin in fits_capacity() Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic 1.25 headroom from sugov_apply_dvfs_headroom() Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] sched/fair: Extend util_est to improve rampup time Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] sched/fair: util_est: Take into account periodic tasks Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 RFC 08/13] sched/qos: Add a new sched-qos interface Qais Yousef
2026-05-06 20:38 ` Tim Chen
2026-05-07 9:55 ` Qais Yousef
2026-05-07 14:20 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-05-09 9:39 ` Qais Yousef
2026-05-11 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-04 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sched/qos: Add rampup multiplier QoS Qais Yousef
2026-05-11 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-04 2:00 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] sched/fair: Disable util_est when rampup_multiplier is 0 Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 2:00 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] sched/fair: Don't mess with util_avg post init Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 2:00 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] sched/fair: Call update_util_est() after dequeue_entities() Qais Yousef
2026-05-04 2:00 ` Qais Yousef [this message]
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