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From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>,
	Pierre Gondois <pierre.gondois@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v021 4/9] sched/topology: Adjust cpufreq checks for EAS
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:33:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4d601707-8269-4c2b-86d2-62951ea0353c@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2989520.e9J7NaK4W3@rjwysocki.net>

On 11/29/24 16:00, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
> 
> Make it possible to use EAS with cpufreq drivers that implement the
> :setpolicy() callback instead of using generic cpufreq governors.
> 
> This is going to be necessary for using EAS with intel_pstate in its
> default configuration.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
> ---
> 
> This is the minimum of what's needed, but I'd really prefer to move
> the cpufreq vs EAS checks into cpufreq because messing around cpufreq
> internals in topology.c feels like a butcher shop kind of exercise.

Makes sense, something like cpufreq_eas_capable().

> 
> Besides, as I said before, I remain unconvinced about the usefulness
> of these checks at all.  Yes, one is supposed to get the best results
> from EAS when running schedutil, but what if they just want to try
> something else with EAS?  What if they can get better results with
> that other thing, surprisingly enough?

How do you imagine this to work then?
I assume we don't make any 'resulting-OPP-guesses' like
sugov_effective_cpu_perf() for any of the setpolicy governors.
Neither for dbs and I guess userspace.
What about standard powersave and performance?
Do we just have a cpufreq callback to ask which OPP to use for
the energy calculation? Assume lowest/highest?
(I don't think there is hardware where lowest/highest makes a
difference, so maybe not bothering with the complexity could
be an option, too.)

> 
> ---
>  kernel/sched/topology.c |   10 +++++++---
>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> Index: linux-pm/kernel/sched/topology.c
> ===================================================================
> --- linux-pm.orig/kernel/sched/topology.c
> +++ linux-pm/kernel/sched/topology.c
> @@ -217,6 +217,7 @@ static bool sched_is_eas_possible(const
>  	bool any_asym_capacity = false;
>  	struct cpufreq_policy *policy;
>  	struct cpufreq_governor *gov;
> +	bool cpufreq_ok;
>  	int i;
>  
>  	/* EAS is enabled for asymmetric CPU capacity topologies. */
> @@ -251,7 +252,7 @@ static bool sched_is_eas_possible(const
>  		return false;
>  	}
>  
> -	/* Do not attempt EAS if schedutil is not being used. */
> +	/* Do not attempt EAS if cpufreq is not configured adequately */
>  	for_each_cpu(i, cpu_mask) {
>  		policy = cpufreq_cpu_get(i);
>  		if (!policy) {
> @@ -261,11 +262,14 @@ static bool sched_is_eas_possible(const
>  			}
>  			return false;
>  		}
> +		/* Require schedutil or a "setpolicy" driver */
>  		gov = policy->governor;
> +		cpufreq_ok = gov == &schedutil_gov ||
> +				(!gov && policy->policy != CPUFREQ_POLICY_UNKNOWN);
>  		cpufreq_cpu_put(policy);
> -		if (gov != &schedutil_gov) {
> +		if (!cpufreq_ok) {
>  			if (sched_debug()) {
> -				pr_info("rd %*pbl: Checking EAS, schedutil is mandatory\n",
> +				pr_info("rd %*pbl: Checking EAS, unsuitable cpufreq governor\n",
>  					cpumask_pr_args(cpu_mask));
>  			}
>  			return false;

The logic here looks fine to me FWIW.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-29 15:55 [RFC][PATCH v021 0/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Enable EAS on hybrid platforms without SMT Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 15:56 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 1/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Use CPPC to get scaling factors Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 15:56 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 2/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Drop Arrow Lake from "scaling factor" list Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 15:59 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 3/9] PM: EM: Move perf rebuilding function from schedutil to EM Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-11 10:32   ` Christian Loehle
2024-11-29 16:00 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 4/9] sched/topology: Adjust cpufreq checks for EAS Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-11 10:33   ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2024-12-11 11:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-11 11:43       ` Christian Loehle
2024-12-11 11:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-11 13:25       ` Vincent Guittot
2024-12-11 16:37         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-11 17:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2024-12-11 17:55             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-12  8:34               ` Vincent Guittot
2024-12-16 14:49   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-12-16 14:58     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 16:02 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 5/9] PM: EM: Introduce em_dev_expand_perf_domain() Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-17  9:38   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-12-17 20:40     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-01-06 12:59       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-11-29 16:06 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 6/9] PM: EM: Call em_compute_costs() from em_create_perf_table() Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 7/9] PM: EM: Register perf domains with ho :active_power() callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 10:59   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-12-16 11:58     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-29 16:21 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 8/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Introduce hybrid domains Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-12 17:04   ` Christian Loehle
2024-11-29 16:28 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 9/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Add basic EAS support on hybrid platforms Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-01-25 11:18 ` [RFC][PATCH v021 0/9] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Enable EAS on hybrid platforms without SMT Dietmar Eggemann
2025-01-27 13:57   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-02-01 12:43     ` Christian Loehle

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