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From: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	"Mario Limonciello (AMD)" <superm1@kernel.org>
Cc: "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
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	"AceLan Kao" <acelan.kao@canonical.com>,
	"Kai-Heng Feng" <kaihengf@nvidia.com>,
	"Mark Pearson" <mpearson-lenovo@squebb.ca>,
	"Merthan Karakaş" <m3rthn.k@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Naim" <dnaim@cachyos.org>,
	"Guilherme G . Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
	"Denis Benato" <benato.denis96@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 11/12] PM: Use hibernate flows for system power off
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 10:36:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4fb75026-5af0-4fbb-9caf-039674543278@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250910151836.GA1536103@bhelgaas>

On 9/10/25 10:18 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 02:16:18PM -0500, Mario Limonciello (AMD) wrote:
>> When the system is powered off the kernel will call device_shutdown()
>> which will issue callbacks into PCI core to wake up a device and call
>> it's shutdown() callback.  This will leave devices in ACPI D0 which can
>> cause some devices to misbehave with spurious wakeups and also leave some
>> devices on which will consume power needlessly.
> 
> The connection between this change and spurious wakeups seems pretty
> tenuous.  If we don't want wakeups, powering off the device seems like
> a sledgehammer approach.

It seems I'm confusing the issue the intent of the series by mentioning 
wakeups here.  The reason that they were mentioned is my series and Kai 
Heng's series merged and they fixed his issue too which AER caused a 
spurious wakeup [1].

My main focus for the series is power consumption.

Link: 
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20250506041934.1409302-1-superm1@kernel.org/ 
[1]

> 
> s/it's/its/

👍

> 
>> The issue won't happen if the device is in D3 before system shutdown, so
>> putting device to low power state before shutdown solves the issue.
>>
>> ACPI Spec 6.5, "7.4.2.5 System \_S4 State" says "Devices states are
>> compatible with the current Power Resource states. In other words, all
>> devices are in the D3 state when the system state is S4."
> 
> Re patch 05/12, also interesting that this section mentions "devices
> that are enabled to wake the system and that can do so from their
> device state in S4 can initiate a hardware event that transitions the
> system state to S0."
> 
> So it looks like wakeup from S4 should work in at least some cases.

Yes; Wake-ups do work from S4.

> 
>> The following "7.4.2.6 System \_S5 State (Soft Off)" states "The S5
>> state is similar to the S4 state except that OSPM does not save any
>> context." so it's safe to assume devices should be at D3 for S5.
>>
>> To accomplish this, use the PMSG_POWEROFF event to call all the device
>> hibernate callbacks when the kernel is compiled with hibernate support.
>> If compiled without hibernate support or hibernate fails fall back into
>> the previous shutdown flow.
>>
>> Cc: AceLan Kao <acelan.kao@canonical.com>
>> Cc: Kai-Heng Feng <kaihengf@nvidia.com>
>> Cc: Mark Pearson <mpearson-lenovo@squebb.ca>
>> Cc: Merthan Karakaş <m3rthn.k@gmail.com>
>> Tested-by: Eric Naim <dnaim@cachyos.org>
>> Tested-by: Denis Benato <benato.denis96@gmail.com>
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20231213182656.6165-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20250506041934.1409302-1-superm1@kernel.org/
>> Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello (AMD) <superm1@kernel.org>
>> ---
>> v5:
>>   * split to multiple commits, re-order
>> v4:
>>   * https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20250616175019.3471583-1-superm1@kernel.org/
>> v3:
>>   * Add new PMSG_POWEROFF and PM_EVENT_POWEROFF which alias to poweroff
>>     callbacks
>>   * Don't try to cleanup on dpm_suspend_start() or dpm_suspend_end() failures
>>     Jump right into normal shutdown flow instead.
>>   * https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pm/20250609024619.407257-1-superm1@kernel.org/T/#me6db0fb946e3d604a8f3d455128844ed802c82bb
>> ---
>>   kernel/reboot.c | 6 ++++++
>>   1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/kernel/reboot.c b/kernel/reboot.c
>> index ec087827c85cd..c8835f8e5f271 100644
>> --- a/kernel/reboot.c
>> +++ b/kernel/reboot.c
>> @@ -13,6 +13,7 @@
>>   #include <linux/kexec.h>
>>   #include <linux/kmod.h>
>>   #include <linux/kmsg_dump.h>
>> +#include <linux/pm.h>
>>   #include <linux/reboot.h>
>>   #include <linux/suspend.h>
>>   #include <linux/syscalls.h>
>> @@ -305,6 +306,11 @@ static void kernel_shutdown_prepare(enum system_states state)
>>   		(state == SYSTEM_HALT) ? SYS_HALT : SYS_POWER_OFF, NULL);
>>   	system_state = state;
>>   	usermodehelper_disable();
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_HIBERNATE_CALLBACKS
>> +	if (!dpm_suspend_start(PMSG_POWEROFF) && !dpm_suspend_end(PMSG_POWEROFF))
>> +		return;
>> +	pr_emerg("Failed to power off devices, using shutdown instead.\n");
>> +#endif
>>   	device_shutdown();
>>   }
>>   /**
>> -- 
>> 2.43.0
>>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-09 19:16 [PATCH v7 00/12] Improvements to S5 power consumption Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] PM: Introduce new PMSG_POWEROFF event Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 13:58   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-10 17:48     ` Mario Limonciello
2025-09-10 18:00       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] scsi: Add PM_EVENT_POWEROFF into suspend callbacks Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10  1:50   ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] usb: sl811-hcd: " Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] USB: Pass PMSG_POWEROFF event to suspend_common() Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] PCI/PM: Disable device wakeups when halting or powering off system Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 15:06   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-10 16:52     ` Mario Limonciello
2025-09-10 17:11       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-10 17:24         ` Mario Limonciello
2025-09-10 17:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] PCI/PM: Split out code from pci_pm_suspend_noirq() into helper Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 14:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-10 16:52     ` Mario Limonciello
2025-09-10 17:35   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] PCI/PM: Run bridge power up actions as part of restore phase Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 17:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] PCI/PM: Use pci_power_manageable() in pci_pm_poweroff_noirq() Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] PCI: Put PCIe bridges with downstream devices into D3 at hibernate Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] drm/amd: Avoid evicting resources at S5 Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] PM: Use hibernate flows for system power off Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 15:18   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-10 15:36     ` Mario Limonciello [this message]
2025-09-09 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] Documentation: power: Add document on debugging shutdown hangs Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-09-10 18:11 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Improvements to S5 power consumption Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-09-10 18:19   ` Mario Limonciello
2025-09-10 18:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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