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From: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	mingo@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, sbw@mit.edu,
	amit.kucheria@linaro.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, rjw@sisk.pl,
	wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com, xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 01/10] CPU hotplug: Introduce "stable" cpu online mask, for atomic hotplug readers
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:44:44 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50BE67C4.3040305@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121204151734.GB3885@mtj.dyndns.org>

Hi Tejun,

On 12/04/2012 08:47 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Srivatsa.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 02:23:41PM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>>  extern const struct cpumask *const cpu_possible_mask;
>>  extern const struct cpumask *const cpu_online_mask;
>> +extern const struct cpumask *const cpu_online_stable_mask;
>>  extern const struct cpumask *const cpu_present_mask;
>>  extern const struct cpumask *const cpu_active_mask;
> 
> This is a bit nasty.  The distinction between cpu_online_mask and the
> stable one is quite subtle and there's no mechanism to verify the
> right one is in use.  IIUC, the only time cpu_online_mask and
> cpu_online_stable_mask can deviate is during the final stage CPU take
> down, right?

No, actually they deviate in the initial stage itself. We flip the bit
in the stable mask right in the beginning, and then flip the bit in the
online mask slightly later, in __cpu_disable().

...which makes it look stupid to have a separate "stable" mask in the
first place! Hmm...

Thinking in this direction a bit more, I have written a patchset that
doesn't need a separate stable mask, but which works with the existing
cpu_online_mask itself. I'll post it tomorrow after testing and updating
the patch descriptions.

One of the things I'm trying to achieve is to identify 2 types of
hotplug readers: 

1. Readers who care only about synchronizing with the updates to
cpu_online_mask (light-weight readers)

2. Readers who really want full synchronization with the entire CPU
tear-down sequence.

The reason for doing this, instead of assuming every reader to be of
type 2 is that, if we don't make this distinction, we can end up in the
very same latency issues and performance problems that we hit when
using stop_machine(), without even using stop_machine()!

[The readers can be in very hot paths, like interrupt handlers. So if
there is no distinction between light-weight readers and full-readers,
we can potentially slow down the entire machine unnecessarily, effectively
creating the same effect as stop_machine()]

IOW, IMHO, one of the goals of the replacement to stop_machine() should
be that it should not indirectly induce the "stop_machine() effect".

The new patchset that I have written takes care of this requirement
and provides APIs for both types of readers, and also doesn't use
any extra cpu masks. I'll post this patchset tomorrow, after taking a
careful look at it again.

Regards,
Srivatsa S. Bhat


  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-04 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-04  8:53 [RFC PATCH 00/10] CPU hotplug: stop_machine()-free CPU hotplug Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:53 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] CPU hotplug: Introduce "stable" cpu online mask, for atomic hotplug readers Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04 15:17   ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-04 21:14     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat [this message]
2012-12-04 22:10   ` Andrew Morton
2012-12-05  2:56     ` Michael Wang
2012-12-05  3:28       ` Michael Wang
2012-12-05 12:38     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] smp, cpu hotplug: Fix smp_call_function_*() to prevent CPU offline properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04 22:17   ` Andrew Morton
2012-12-05 12:41     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04 23:39   ` Rusty Russell
2012-12-05 12:44     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] smp, cpu hotplug: Fix on_each_cpu_*() " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] sched, cpu hotplug: Use stable online cpus in try_to_wake_up() & select_task_rq() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] kick_process(), cpu-hotplug: Prevent offlining of target CPU properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] yield_to(), cpu-hotplug: Prevent offlining of other CPUs properly Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] KVM: VMX: fix invalid cpu passed to smp_call_function_single Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] KVM: VMX: fix memory order between loading vmcs and clearing vmcs Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:56 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] KVM: VMX: fix unsyc vmcs status when cpu is going down Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-12-04  8:56 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] cpu: No more __stop_machine() in _cpu_down() Srivatsa S. Bhat

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