From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
To: Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ying Huang <ying.huang@intel.com>,
linux-pm <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Hibernation considerations
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:31:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87myxroubm.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f29402c6050f9c3ff5d83a59cea2de58@bga.com> (Milton Miller's message of "Fri\, 20 Jul 2007 11\:56\:43 -0500")
Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com> writes:
[snip]
>>>> (7) how to avoid corrupting filesystems mounted by the hibernated kernel
>>>
>>> I didn't realize this was a discussion item. I thought the options were
>>> clear, for some filesystem types you can mount them read-only, but for
>>> ext3 (and possilby other less common ones) you just plain cannot touch
>>> them.
>>
>> That's correct. And since you cannot thouch ext3, you need either to assume
>> that you won't touch filesystems at all, or to have a code to recognize the
>> filesystem you're dealing with.
> Or add a small bit of infrastructure that errors writes at make_request if you
> don't have a magic "i am a direct block device write from userspace" flag on the
> bio.
I still don't understand why there is this fixation on accessing dirty
filesystems in use by the hibernated system. Even if you avoid
corrupting the filesystem by avoiding writing to the block device, there
isn't any real guarantee about the state of the data, except for a
filesystem that specifically makes guarantees about such data (and I
don't believe any of the existing ones do).
It isn't necessary to be able to access such filesystems: everything can
be done from an initramfs/initrd.
[snip]
--
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
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2007-07-17 20:17 ` Hibernation considerations Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 22:38 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <200707172217.01890.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 20:34 ` david
2007-07-17 20:54 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87fy3mg39r.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:04 ` david
[not found] ` <200707172323.51702.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 21:17 ` david
2007-07-17 21:27 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <871wf6g1q1.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:27 ` david
2007-07-17 21:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87odiag45q.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
[not found] ` <200707151433.34625.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 12:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-15 12:58 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <200707151810.33554.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-07-15 15:35 ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-15 16:29 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <469A3EB9.8000304@gmail.com>
2007-07-15 17:40 ` Al Boldi
[not found] ` <469A8515.3080109@gmx.de>
2007-07-15 19:46 ` david
2007-07-15 20:13 ` david
[not found] ` <200707160047.28420.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 22:42 ` david
2007-07-15 23:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707160122.09840.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 23:49 ` david
2007-07-16 12:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16 12:38 ` Jim Crilly
2007-07-16 15:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707161729.16440.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-17 4:28 ` david
2007-07-17 10:42 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070717104231.GA32486@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-17 15:19 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707170818460.19248@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-18 2:18 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070718021817.GA13502@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-18 3:54 ` david
2007-07-18 11:10 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070718111016.GA18716@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-18 12:56 ` david
2007-07-15 22:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 20:35 ` Cornelius Riemenschneider
[not found] ` <20070715125855.GA1737@gallifrey>
2007-07-15 22:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707160038.12943.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-15 22:27 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707151526080.25614@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 17:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070717174044.GA11212@gallifrey>
2007-07-17 17:49 ` david
2007-07-29 6:53 ` Vojtech Pavlik
[not found] ` <20070729065352.GB17084@suse.cz>
2007-07-29 9:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 19:56 ` encrypted hibernation (was Re: Hibernation considerations) Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070805195628.GA1947@elf.ucw.cz>
2007-08-11 23:43 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070811234356.GA19183@gallifrey>
2007-08-12 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-13 2:30 ` Michael Chang
[not found] ` <b14e81f00708121930n7d9eab99r6fa776120c6287c1@mail.gmail.com>
2007-08-13 4:53 ` alon.barlev
[not found] ` <200708130012.27412.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-08-18 19:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[not found] ` <20070818193733.GC16635@gallifrey>
2007-08-21 7:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-16 0:51 ` Hibernation considerations Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20070716005135.GB8140@srcf.ucam.org>
2007-07-16 0:51 ` david
[not found] ` <200707172320.16279.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 14:01 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 14:48 ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-20 15:48 ` david
2007-07-22 2:17 ` Huang, Ying
[not found] ` <1185070634.3517.11.camel@caritas-dev.intel.com>
2007-07-22 2:32 ` david
2007-07-20 21:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <ea7a437ca4038d408ac544bbc3c2434a@bga.com>
[not found] ` <200707192228.05136.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 16:08 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 16:20 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 17:32 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 18:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 20:31 ` david
2007-07-20 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:34 ` david
2007-07-20 21:37 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201428080.5166@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-20 22:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 11:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1ICDNw-0008HC-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-21 12:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707212243.35602.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-21 13:56 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-21 16:13 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87lkd9ohtn.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-21 18:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 19:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707212120.04645.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-08-01 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070801092227.GB4808@ucw.cz>
2007-08-02 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-02 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2007-08-01 9:19 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707191542430.28721@asgard.lang.hm>
[not found] ` <200707201317.58025.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-20 16:56 ` Milton Miller
[not found] ` <f29402c6050f9c3ff5d83a59cea2de58@bga.com>
2007-07-20 17:31 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard [this message]
2007-07-20 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 19:26 ` david
2007-07-20 21:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87ejj2pxoc.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-20 22:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:37 ` david
2007-07-17 20:56 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <87bqeag369.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-17 21:06 ` david
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707171404330.2467@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-17 21:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <f29402c6050f9c3ff5d83a59cea2de58%40bga.com>
2007-07-20 19:09 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 20:23 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] <fe998950b9d5ad317d5c1f5ff4e21ac9@bga.com>
2007-07-20 19:37 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707201408060.2546-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-20 19:08 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 20:03 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] <200707202203.27849.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-20 20:12 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707201608120.2546-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-20 21:35 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] <200707202335.05519.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-20 22:25 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707201820050.5241-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-23 14:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-01 9:34 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20070801093437.GC4808@ucw.cz>
2007-08-03 3:50 ` david
[not found] <877ioupxi8.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
2007-07-20 22:35 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 22:43 ` david
2007-07-20 22:48 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707201540260.5166@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-21 5:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 14:10 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707210956320.8201-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-22 3:43 ` david
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707212000380.6747@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-22 16:00 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 21:50 ` david
2007-07-23 15:19 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707221608140.16031-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-22 21:54 ` david
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707221116060.15224-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2007-07-22 16:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-22 20:09 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 22:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707230842.22121.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-22 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200707230109.23071.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-22 23:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 0:04 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <18083.61595.217126.824924@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-07-23 3:11 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 5:31 ` david
2007-07-23 10:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 12:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <E1ICwoE-0004q8-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2007-07-23 12:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:31 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200707231431.30372.oliver@neukum.org>
2007-07-23 13:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <200707231601.09541.rjw@sisk.pl>
2007-07-23 14:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 14:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 19:08 ` david
[not found] <200707231311.56398.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-23 15:23 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707231035150.3545-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-23 19:01 ` david
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707231121220.3828@asgard.lang.hm>
2007-07-23 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 13:26 ` Huang, Ying
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707231120380.3545-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2007-07-23 21:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200707240755.01820.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
2007-07-23 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <9D7649D18729DE4BB2BD7B494F7FEDC236CF5C@pdsmsx415.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2007-07-24 14:50 ` Alan Stern
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