From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/15] sched/cputime: Handle dyntick-idle steal time correctly
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 15:53:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <acKlTdXRUMTXBk1X@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be30e259-a690-4530-996c-0c092833bb66@linux.ibm.com>
Le Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 04:47:45PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde a écrit :
>
>
> On 2/6/26 7:52 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > The dyntick-idle steal time is currently accounted when the tick
> > restarts but the stolen idle time is not substracted from the idle time
> > that was already accounted. This is to avoid observing the idle time
> > going backward as the dyntick-idle cputime accessors can't reliably know
> > in advance the stolen idle time.
> >
> > In order to maintain a forward progressing idle cputime while
> > substracting idle steal time from it, keep track of the previously
> > accounted idle stolen time and substract it from _later_ idle cputime
> > accounting.
> >
>
> s/substract/subtract ?
Right.
>
> > Signed-off-by: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
> > ---
> > include/linux/kernel_stat.h | 1 +
> > kernel/sched/cputime.c | 21 +++++++++++++++------
> > 2 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/include/linux/kernel_stat.h b/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
> > index 512104b0ff49..24a54a6151ba 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
> > @@ -39,6 +39,7 @@ struct kernel_cpustat {
> > bool idle_elapse;
> > seqcount_t idle_sleeptime_seq;
> > u64 idle_entrytime;
> > + u64 idle_stealtime;
> > #endif
> > u64 cpustat[NR_STATS];
> > };
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/cputime.c b/kernel/sched/cputime.c
> > index 92fa2f037b6e..7e79288eb327 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/cputime.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/cputime.c
> > @@ -424,19 +424,25 @@ static inline void irqtime_account_process_tick(struct task_struct *p, int user_
> > static void kcpustat_idle_stop(struct kernel_cpustat *kc, u64 now)
> > {
> > u64 *cpustat = kc->cpustat;
> > - u64 delta;
> > + u64 delta, steal, steal_delta;
> > if (!kc->idle_elapse)
> > return;
> > delta = now - kc->idle_entrytime;
> > + steal = steal_account_process_time(delta);
> > write_seqcount_begin(&kc->idle_sleeptime_seq);
> > + steal_delta = min_t(u64, kc->idle_stealtime, delta);
> > + delta -= steal_delta;
>
> I didn;t get this logic. Why do we need idle_stealtime?
>
> Lets say 10ms was steal time and 50ms was delta. but idle_stealtime is
> sum of past accumulated steal time. we only need to subtract steal time there no?
>
> Shouldn't this be delta -= steal ?
That would be a risk to observe backward idle accounting:
Time CPU 0 CPU 1
---- ----- -----
0 sec kcpustat_idle_start()
<#VMEXIT>
...
1 sec </#VMEXIT>
arch_cpu_idle() // returns 2
2 sec kcpustat_idle_stop() kcpustat_field(CPUTIME_IDLE, 0)
cpustat[CPUTIME_IDLE] = 2 - 1
// returns 1
kcpustat_field(CPUTIME_IDLE, 0)
We could instead read remotely the paravirt clock, but then
steal_account_process_time() would need to always hold the ->idle_sleeptime_seq,
though it should happen to work without given the ordering.
Anyway to avoid any surprise I accumulate the steal time of an idle cycle to be
substracted on the next idle cycle.
Thanks.
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-24 14:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-06 14:22 [PATCH 00/15 v2] tick/sched: Refactor idle cputime accounting Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 01/15] sched/idle: Handle offlining first in idle loop Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-18 18:22 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 02/15] sched/cputime: Remove superfluous and error prone kcpustat_field() parameter Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-18 18:25 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 03/15] sched/cputime: Correctly support generic vtime idle time Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 04/15] powerpc/time: Prepare to stop elapsing in dynticks-idle Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-19 18:30 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-24 15:41 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-25 7:46 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-25 9:45 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-25 10:34 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-25 11:14 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-25 13:33 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-25 13:54 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-25 17:47 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-25 17:59 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-26 4:06 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-26 7:32 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-26 12:57 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 05/15] s390/time: " Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 06/15] tick/sched: Unify idle cputime accounting Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 07/15] cpufreq: ondemand: Simplify idle cputime granularity test Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 08/15] tick/sched: Remove nohz disabled special case in cputime fetch Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 09/15] tick/sched: Move dyntick-idle cputime accounting to cputime code Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 10/15] tick/sched: Remove unused fields Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 11/15] tick/sched: Account tickless idle cputime only when tick is stopped Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 12/15] tick/sched: Consolidate idle time fetching APIs Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 22:35 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 13/15] sched/cputime: Provide get_cpu_[idle|iowait]_time_us() off-case Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 14/15] sched/cputime: Handle idle irqtime gracefully Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-03 11:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-03-20 14:32 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-06 14:22 ` [PATCH 15/15] sched/cputime: Handle dyntick-idle steal time correctly Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-03 11:17 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-03-24 14:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-02-11 13:43 ` [PATCH 00/15 v2] tick/sched: Refactor idle cputime accounting Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-11 17:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-12 7:02 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-18 18:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-01-16 14:51 [PATCH 00/15] " Frederic Weisbecker
2026-01-16 14:52 ` [PATCH 15/15] sched/cputime: Handle dyntick-idle steal time correctly Frederic Weisbecker
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