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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Igor.Stoppa@nokia.com
Cc: linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [linux-pm] RFC: /sys/power/policy_preference
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006171445010.4214@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D32AB456855CBD4987499F68AFA421F4299A56E336@NOK-EUMSG-02.mgdnok.nokia.com>

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Igor.Stoppa@nokia.com wrote:

> i do understand that you are mostly targetting acpi based systems,
> but even there, based on static leaks, it might not be always true
> that lower frequencies are correlated to higher power savings
> (or maybe i have misunderstood your draft - i am not so fluent in acpi)

Right, my assertion is that ondemand deals only with P-states,
where, by defintion, the deeper the P-state the lower the voltage,
the higher the efficiency.

I assume that ondemand is not used to enable T-states
where the clock is throttled w/o lowering the voltage.
I put a note to try to make that clear under
max_powersave:

"ondemand: min P-state (do not invoke T-states)"

Of course it is also possible for a processor to do a poor job
implementing P-states and a great job optimizing idle states
such that race to idle were always a win.  However, on such
a processor it would make more sense to simply disable P-states.

> > it is likely
> > that some users would want to use "powersave" when on
> > battery and perhaps shift to "performance" on A/C.
> 
> if we consider also the thermal envelope and the fact that "performance"
> might steal power from a charging battery, even ton A/C it might not be 
> possible to settle down in one state permanently.
> 
> Or do you expect other mechanisms to intervene?

Typical laptop BIOS commonly implement a scheme where
they maximize performance on AC and bias towards saving energy
on DC.

That, of course, is just one example use-model.
Here Linux user-space can choose whatever policy
makes sense for them at run-time.

cheers,
-Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center


  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-17 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-16 21:05 RFC: /sys/power/policy_preference Len Brown
2010-06-16 22:12 ` Jason Chagas
2010-06-17 18:44   ` Len Brown
2010-06-17  6:03 ` [linux-pm] " Igor.Stoppa
2010-06-17 19:00   ` Len Brown [this message]
2010-06-17 16:14 ` Victor Lowther
2010-06-17 19:02   ` Len Brown
2010-06-17 22:23     ` Victor Lowther
2010-06-18  5:56       ` Len Brown
2010-06-18 11:55         ` Victor Lowther
2010-06-19 15:17   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2010-06-19 19:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-17 20:48 ` Mike Chan
2010-06-18  6:25   ` Len Brown
2010-06-21 20:10 ` [linux-pm] " Dipankar Sarma
2010-09-28 16:17 ` x86_energy_perf_policy.c Len Brown
2010-10-23  4:40   ` [PATCH] tools: add x86_energy_perf_policy to program MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS Len Brown
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1010230035360.29399@localhost.localdomain>
2010-10-27  3:23     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20101026202307.c028e26c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2010-10-27  6:01       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20101027060139.GB5603@elte.hu>
2010-10-27 11:43         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-11-15 16:07     ` [PATCH RESEND] tools: add power/x86/x86_energy_perf_policy " Len Brown
     [not found]     ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1011151103280.2939@x980>
2010-11-17 11:35       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]       ` <8739r0rxlz.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
2010-11-22 20:13         ` Len Brown
     [not found]         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1011221348200.19247@x980>
2010-11-22 20:33           ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]           ` <20101122203359.GD21836@basil.fritz.box>
2010-11-23  4:48             ` Len Brown
2010-11-24  5:31       ` [PATCH v2] tools: create power/x86/x86_energy_perf_policy Len Brown
     [not found]       ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1011240028470.20657@x980>
2010-11-25  5:52         ` Chen Gong
     [not found]         ` <4CEDF9BB.9030002@linux.intel.com>
2010-11-25  8:59           ` Chen Gong

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