From: Russell Haley <yumpusamongus@gmail.com>
To: Eduardo Valentin <evalenti@kernel.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Cc: eduval@amazon.com, rafael@kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Amit Kucheria <amitk@kernel.org>,
Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] thermal: sysfs: avoid actual readings from sysfs
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 12:24:39 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6d023e4-c22b-32fe-f7c6-51a988c43864@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZICybSuZELhR1Ni5@uf8f119305bce5e.ant.amazon.com>
On 6/7/23 11:38, Eduardo Valentin wrote:
>> Can you elaborate 'the timing requirement for the governors' ? I'm
>> missing the point
>
>
> The point is to avoid contention on the device update path.
> Governor that use differential equations on temperature over time
> will be very time sensitive. Step wise, power allocator, or any
> PID will be very sensitive to time. So, If userspace is hitting
> this API too often we can see cases where the updates needed to
> service userspace may defer/delay the execution of the governor
> logic.
>
> Despite that, there is really no point to have more updates than
> what was configured for the thermal zone to support. Say that
> we configure a thermal zone to update itself every 500ms, yet
> userspace keeps sending reads every 100ms, we do not need necessarily
> to do a trip to the device every single time to update the temperature,
> as per the design for the thermal zone.
A userspace governor might *also* use PID or filter multiple samples
taken at high rate. I specifically switched my python fan control script
from the Intel coretemp hwmon to the x86_pkg_tmp thermal zone because of
the coretemp driver's annoying 1-second caching behavior.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-10 17:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-07 0:37 [PATCH 1/1] thermal: sysfs: avoid actual readings from sysfs Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-07 6:32 ` Zhang, Rui
2023-06-07 16:28 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-07 9:24 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-06-07 16:38 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-07 18:23 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-06-08 17:44 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-12 8:17 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-06-21 5:06 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-21 11:43 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-06-22 4:56 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-23 17:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-06-28 21:10 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-06-30 8:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-06-30 10:11 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-06-30 10:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-06-30 12:09 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-07-01 1:49 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-07-01 7:28 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-07-05 22:49 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-07-06 13:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-07 17:14 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-07-01 1:38 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-07-01 14:20 ` Daniel Lezcano
2023-07-01 1:37 ` Eduardo Valentin
2023-07-06 13:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-06-10 17:24 ` Russell Haley [this message]
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