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From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Kevin Corry <kevcorry@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:12:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1001500000.1080684755@aslan.btc.adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4069EB03.9000202@pobox.com>

>> So you are saying that this presents an unrecoverable situation?
> 
> No, I'm saying that the data phase need not have a bunch of in-kernel
> checks, it should be generated correctly from the source.

The SCSI drivers validate the controller's data phase based on the
expected phase presented to them from an upper layer.  I never talked
about adding checks that make little sense or are overly expensive.  You
seem to equate validation with huge expense.  That is just not the
general case.

>> Hmm.  I've never had someone tell me that my SCSI drivers are slow.
> 
> This would be noticed in the CPU utilization area.  Your drivers are
> probably a long way from being CPU-bound.

I very much doubt that.  There are perhaps four or five tests in the
I/O path where some value already in a cache line that has to be accessed
anyway is compared against a constant.  We're talking about something
down in the noise of any type of profiling you could perform.  As I said,
validation makes sense where there is basically no-cost to do it.

>> I don't think that your statement is true in the general case.  My
>> belief is that validation should occur where it is cheap and efficient
>> to do so.  More expensive checks should be pushed into diagnostic code
>> that is disabled by default, but the code *should be there*.  In any event,
>> for RAID meta-data, we're talking about code that is *not* in the common
>> or time critical path of the kernel.  A few dozen lines of validation code
>> there has almost no impact on the size of the kernel and yields huge
>> benefits for debugging and maintaining the code.  This is even more
>> the case in Linux the end user is often your test lab.
> 
> It doesn't scale terribly well, because the checks themselves become a
> source of bugs.

So now the complaint is that validation code is somehow harder to write
and maintain than the rest of the code?

--
Justin


  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-30 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 20:19 "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23  5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23  6:23   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24  2:26     ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09       ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25  2:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00         ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26  0:10                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19               ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 17:43                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:06                   ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:30                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 19:15             ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39                 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-28  9:11                   ` [dm-devel] " christophe varoqui
2004-03-30 17:03                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35                       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:04                           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12                               ` Justin T. Gibbs [this message]
2004-03-30 22:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26  0:03               ` Justin T. Gibbs
     [not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18  1:33   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18  2:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:58       ` Jamie Lokier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-17 18:14 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18   ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  0:23       ` Scott Long
2004-03-18  1:55         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  6:38         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 23:42           ` Scott Long
2004-03-22  9:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59               ` Scott Long
2004-03-23  6:48                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18  1:56     ` viro

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