From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Kevin Corry <kevcorry@us.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:12:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1001500000.1080684755@aslan.btc.adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4069EB03.9000202@pobox.com>
>> So you are saying that this presents an unrecoverable situation?
>
> No, I'm saying that the data phase need not have a bunch of in-kernel
> checks, it should be generated correctly from the source.
The SCSI drivers validate the controller's data phase based on the
expected phase presented to them from an upper layer. I never talked
about adding checks that make little sense or are overly expensive. You
seem to equate validation with huge expense. That is just not the
general case.
>> Hmm. I've never had someone tell me that my SCSI drivers are slow.
>
> This would be noticed in the CPU utilization area. Your drivers are
> probably a long way from being CPU-bound.
I very much doubt that. There are perhaps four or five tests in the
I/O path where some value already in a cache line that has to be accessed
anyway is compared against a constant. We're talking about something
down in the noise of any type of profiling you could perform. As I said,
validation makes sense where there is basically no-cost to do it.
>> I don't think that your statement is true in the general case. My
>> belief is that validation should occur where it is cheap and efficient
>> to do so. More expensive checks should be pushed into diagnostic code
>> that is disabled by default, but the code *should be there*. In any event,
>> for RAID meta-data, we're talking about code that is *not* in the common
>> or time critical path of the kernel. A few dozen lines of validation code
>> there has almost no impact on the size of the kernel and yields huge
>> benefits for debugging and maintaining the code. This is even more
>> the case in Linux the end user is often your test lab.
>
> It doesn't scale terribly well, because the checks themselves become a
> source of bugs.
So now the complaint is that validation code is somehow harder to write
and maintain than the rest of the code?
--
Justin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-30 22:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-19 20:19 "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23 5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23 6:23 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24 2:26 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09 ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25 2:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26 0:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 0:10 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26 0:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 17:43 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28 0:06 ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28 0:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 19:15 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-28 9:11 ` [dm-devel] " christophe varoqui
2004-03-30 17:03 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:04 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12 ` Justin T. Gibbs [this message]
2004-03-30 22:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 0:03 ` Justin T. Gibbs
[not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18 1:33 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18 2:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 9:58 ` Jamie Lokier
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-17 18:14 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18 ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18 0:23 ` Scott Long
2004-03-18 1:55 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18 6:38 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 23:42 ` Scott Long
2004-03-22 9:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59 ` Scott Long
2004-03-23 6:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18 1:56 ` viro
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