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From: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] md: make devices disappear when they are no longer needed.
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:47:51 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18730.12791.348848.849033@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: message from Al Viro on Monday November 24

On Monday November 24, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 02:55:30PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> > Between the call
> >    __blkdev_get->get_gendisk->kobj_lookup->md_probe
> > and the call
> >    __blkdev_get->md_open
> > 
> > there is no obvious way to hold a reference on the mddev any more, so
> > unless something is done, it will disappear and gendisk will be
> > destroyed prematurely.
> > 
> > Also, once we decide to destroy the mddev, there will be an unlockable
> > moment before the gendisk is unlinked (blk_unregister_region) during
> > which a new reference to the gendisk can be created.  We need to
> > ensure that this reference can not be used.  i.e. the ->open must
> > fail.
> > 
> > So:
> >  1/  in md_probe we set a flag in the mddev (hold_active) which
> >      indicates that the array should be treated as active, even
> >      though there are no references, and no appearance of activity.
> >      This is cleared by md_release when the device is closed.
> >      This ensure that the gendisk will survive between md_probe and
> >      md_open.

Thanks for the reply.

> 
> That won't work.  Note that you are not guaranteed that md_release() will be
> called after md_probe(); there are failure exits in __blkdev_get() that do
> not reach ->open() at all.

I thought about those failure exits and concluded that they are the
sort the almost never happen in practice (I think -ENOMEM is the only
credible error) and the consequence is only that the gendisk will hang
around a until some future open/close, so it is no worse that the
current situation.
Resolving that would be nice but I didn't feel up to any major surgery.

> 
> What lifetime rules do you really want?  I never liked the tricks pulled
> by md wrt gendisk lifetimes and that might be a good time to sort that
> out for good...

I'm not sure what 'tricks' you are referring to.  Can you elaborate?

I want the gendisk to appear as soon as it is needed (not because I
think that is necessarily a good idea, but it is legacy functionality that I
don't think we can easily discard).  And I want them to disappear when
they contain no information and have nothing referring to them.

> 
> What should happen to things like pending IO, etc. on array destruction?
> AFAICS, that's the real question...

Pending IO should not be a possibility thanks to the sync_blockdev call
in __blkdev_put.
During that last close, nothing can generate new IO, and any old IO
will be flushed (won't it?).

NeilBrown

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-24  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-24  3:55 [PATCH 0/2] RFC: allow md devices to disappear when not in use NeilBrown
2008-11-24  3:55 ` [PATCH 1/2] md: make devices disappear when they are no longer needed NeilBrown
2008-11-24  4:18   ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24  5:13     ` Neil Brown
2008-11-24  5:34       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24  6:10         ` NeilBrown
2008-11-24  6:12           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24  6:24         ` Al Viro
2008-11-24  6:56           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24 13:31             ` Al Viro
2008-11-24 14:04               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24 14:26                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24 14:48                   ` Al Viro
2008-11-24 16:08                     ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24 16:42                       ` Al Viro
2008-11-24 17:18                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-28  0:23                     ` Neil Brown
2008-11-24  4:24   ` Al Viro
2008-11-24  4:47     ` Neil Brown [this message]
2008-11-24  6:38       ` Al Viro
2008-11-24  3:55 ` [PATCH 2/2] Allow md devices to be created by name NeilBrown

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