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From: TJ <systemloc@earthlink.net>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:47:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200412021147.12410.systemloc@earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0411201657570.19120-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>

> afaikt, the deathstar incident was actually bad firmware
> (didn't correctly flush data when hard powered off, resulting in
> blocks on disk with bogus ECC, which had to be considered bad from
> then on, even if the media was perfect.)

I do not think the deathstar incident was due to a firmware problem as you 
describe at all. I had a lot of these drives fail, and I read as much as I 
could find on the subject. The problem was most likely caused by the fact 
that these drives used IBM's new glass substrate technology. This substrate 
had heat expansion issues which caused the heads to misalign on tracks and 
eventually cross write over tracks, corrupting data. The classic "click of 
death" was the sound of the drive searching for a track repetitively. In some 
cases a format would allow the drive to be used again, in many cases it would 
not. It is my belief that formatting was inneffective at fixing the drive 
because the cross writing probably hit some of the low level data, which the 
drive cannot repair on a format.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-02 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-19 21:06 Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:28 ` Guy
2004-11-20 18:42   ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 19:37     ` Guy
2004-11-20 20:03       ` Mark Klarzynski
2004-11-20 22:17         ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 23:09           ` Guy
2004-12-02 16:47           ` TJ [this message]
2004-12-02 17:29             ` Stephen C Woods
2004-12-03  3:37             ` Mark Hahn
2004-12-03  4:16               ` Guy
2004-12-03  4:46                 ` Alvin Oga
2004-12-03  5:24                 ` Richard Scobie
2004-12-03  5:40                   ` Konstantin Olchanski
2004-12-09  0:17             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-11-20 23:30       ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 19:40     ` David Greaves
2004-11-21  4:33       ` Guy
2004-11-21  1:01     ` berk walker
2004-11-23 19:10     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-11-23 20:03       ` Guy
2004-11-23 21:18         ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-23 23:02           ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-24  0:33             ` Guy
2004-11-24  1:45           ` berk walker
2004-11-24  2:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-11-24  8:01               ` Good news / bad news - The joys of hardware Guy
2004-11-24  8:57                 ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:42 ` Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID Guy
2004-11-28 13:15   ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-30  2:05     ` Neil Brown
2004-12-01  3:34       ` Doug Ledford
2004-12-01 11:50         ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:58 ` Gordon Henderson
     [not found] <037401c4cf3b$ee75bc90$030a0a0a@musicroom>
2004-11-21  4:33 ` Guy
2004-11-22 14:13   ` Yu Chen
2004-11-22 14:34     ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-22 17:51       ` Guy
2004-11-22 23:26         ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-22 23:48           ` Guy
2004-11-23  0:09             ` Måns Rullgård
2004-11-23 15:33             ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-23  0:17     ` berk walker
2004-11-23  9:24       ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-23 12:31         ` Bob Hillegas
2004-11-23 13:00           ` berk walker
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0411201655400.19120-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2004-11-21 21:28 ` Mark Klarzynski
2004-11-21 21:58   ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-22  6:29   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
     [not found] <04Nov26.172857est.30052@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-11-26 22:41 ` Robin Bowes

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