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From: Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: No swap can be dangerous (was Re: swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid))
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:08:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200501062208.39563.andrew@walrond.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41DD798F.8030902@h3c.com>

On Thursday 06 January 2005 17:46, Mike Hardy wrote:
>
> You are correct that I was getting at the zero swap argument - and I
> agree that it is vastly different from simply not expecting it. It is
> important to know that there is no inherent need for swap in the kernel
> though - it is simply used as more "memory" (albeit slower, and with
> some optimizations to work better with real memory) and if you don't
> need it, you don't need it.
>

If I recollect a recent thread on LKML correctly, your 'no inherent need for 
swap' might be wrong.

I think the gist was this: the kernel can sometimes needs to move bits of 
memory in order to free up dma-able ram, or lowmem. If I recall correctly, 
the kernel can only do this move via swap, even if there is stacks of free 
(non-dmaable or highmem) memory.

I distinctly remember the moral of the thread being "Always mount some swap, 
if you can"

This might have changed though, or I might have got it completely wrong. - 
I've cc'ed LKML incase somebody more knowledgeable can comment...

Andrew Walrond

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-06 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-30  0:31 PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 16:23 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 17:39   ` Peter T. Breuer
2004-12-30 17:53     ` Sandro Dentella
2004-12-30 18:31       ` Peter T. Breuer
2004-12-30 19:50     ` Michael Tokarev
     [not found]       ` <41D45C1F.5030307-XAri/EZa3C4vJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2004-12-30 20:54         ` berk walker
2005-01-01 13:39         ` Helge Hafting
2004-12-30 21:39       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-02 19:42         ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Andy Smith
2005-01-02 20:18           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  0:30             ` Andy Smith
2005-01-03  6:41               ` Neil Brown
2005-01-03  8:37                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  8:03               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  8:58                 ` Guy
2005-01-03 10:18                 ` Partiy error detection - was " Brad Campbell
2005-01-03 12:11                 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-03 14:23                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 18:30                     ` maarten
2005-01-03 21:36                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05  5:50                     ` Debian Sarge mdadm raid 10 assembling at boot problem Roger Ellison
2005-01-05 13:41                       ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 13:57                         ` [help] [I2O] Adaptec 2400A on FC3 Angelo Piraino
2005-01-05 19:15                         ` Debian Sarge mdadm raid 10 assembling at boot problem Roger Ellison
2005-01-05  9:56           ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Andy Smith
2005-01-05 10:44             ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 10:56               ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 11:39                 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 12:02                   ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 13:23                     ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 13:33                       ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 14:44                         ` parts -- " Alvin Oga
2005-01-19  4:46                           ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-19  5:05                             ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-19  5:49                               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-19  7:08                                 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 13:36                       ` Swap should be mirrored or not? (was Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Andy Smith
2005-01-05 14:12                 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Erik Mouw
2005-01-05 14:37                   ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 14:55                     ` errors " Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:11                     ` Erik Mouw
2005-01-06  5:41                       ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 15:17                 ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:33                   ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 16:22                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 17:23                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 16:23                     ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 16:30                       ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 17:04                       ` swp - " Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:26                         ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 18:32                           ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 22:35                             ` Andy Smith
2005-01-06  0:57                               ` Guy
2005-01-06  1:28                                 ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06  3:32                                   ` Guy
2005-01-06  4:49                                     ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-09 21:07                                       ` Mark Hahn
2005-01-06  5:04                                   ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06  6:18                                     ` Guy
2005-01-06  6:31                                       ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06  9:38                                     ` swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Andy Smith
2005-01-06 17:46                                       ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06 22:08                                         ` Andrew Walrond [this message]
2005-01-06 22:34                                           ` No swap can be dangerous (was Re: swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid)) Jesper Juhl
2005-01-06 22:57                                             ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06 23:15                                               ` Guy
2005-01-07  9:28                                                 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-02-28 20:07                                                   ` Guy
2005-01-07  1:31                                       ` confused Re: swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Alvin Oga
2005-01-07  2:28                                         ` Andy Smith
2005-01-07 13:04                                           ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-09 21:21                                     ` swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Mark Hahn
2005-01-09 22:20                                       ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06  5:01                                 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:07                     ` Guy
2005-01-05 17:21                       ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:32                         ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:37                           ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:34                         ` ECC: RE: ext3 blah blah blah Gordon Henderson
2005-01-05 18:33                           ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:26                       ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) David Greaves
2005-01-05 18:16                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 18:28                           ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:26                         ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:48                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-07  6:21     ` PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-07  9:39       ` Andy Smith

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