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From: Frank van Maarseveen <frankvm@frankvm.com>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spares and partitioning huge disks
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:15:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050110081526.GA15920@janus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501100016.58847.maarten@ultratux.net>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 12:16:58AM +0100, maarten wrote:
> On Sunday 09 January 2005 23:29, Frank van Maarseveen wrote:
> 
> I either don't understand this, or I don't agree. Assemble --force effectively 
> disables all sanitychecks,

ok, wasn't sure about that. but then:

> The result is 
> therefore an array that either (A) holds a good FS with a couple of corrupted 
> files (silent corruption)

> So I certainly would opt for the "possibility of silent corruption" choice. 
> And if I ever find the corrupted file I delete it and mark it for 'new 
> retrieval" or some such followup.  Or restore from tape where applicable.
> 
> > so, we can't ignore errors during RAID5 reconstruction and we're toast
> > if it happens, even more toast than we would have been with a normal
> > disk (barring the case of an entirely dead disk). If you look at the
> > lower level then of course RAID5 has an advantage but to me it seems to
> > vaporize when exposed to the _complexity_ of handling secondary errors
> > during the reconstruction.
> 
> You cut out my entire idea about leaving the 'failed' disk around to 
> eventually being able to compensate a further block error on another media.  
> Why ?  It would _solve_ your problem, wouldn't it ?

I did not intend to cut it out but simplified the situation a bit: if
you have all the RAID5 disks even with a bunch of errors spread out over
all of them then yes, you basically still have the data.  Nothing is
lost provided there's no double fault and disks are not dead yet. But
there are not many technical people I would trust for recovering from
this situation. And I wouldn't trust myself without a significant
coffee intake either :)

-- 
Frank

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-10  8:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-06 14:16 Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-06 16:46 ` Guy
2005-01-06 17:08   ` maarten
2005-01-06 17:31 ` Guy
2005-01-06 18:18   ` maarten
     [not found]     ` <41DD83DA.9040609@h3c.com>
2005-01-06 19:42       ` maarten
2005-01-07 20:59 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-07 21:57   ` Guy
2005-01-08 10:22     ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 12:19       ` maarten
2005-01-08 16:33         ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:58           ` maarten
2005-01-08 14:52     ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-08 15:50       ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 16:32       ` Guy
2005-01-08 17:16         ` maarten
2005-01-08 18:55           ` Guy
2005-01-08 19:25             ` maarten
2005-01-08 20:33               ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 23:01                 ` maarten
2005-01-09 10:10                   ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-09 16:23                     ` Guy
2005-01-09 16:36                       ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 17:52                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 17:59                           ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 18:34                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 20:28                             ` Guy
2005-01-09 20:47                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  7:19                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10  9:05                                   ` Guy
2005-01-10  9:38                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 12:31                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 13:19                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 18:37                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-11 11:34                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-08 23:09               ` Guy
2005-01-09  0:56                 ` maarten
2005-01-13  2:05                 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-13  4:55                   ` Guy
2005-01-13  9:27                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 15:53                     ` Guy
2005-01-13 17:16                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 20:40                         ` Guy
2005-01-13 23:32                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-14  2:43                             ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:49       ` maarten
2005-01-08 19:01         ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:34           ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:36             ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 17:10               ` maarten
2005-01-16 16:19                 ` 4 questions. Chieftec chassis case CA-01B, resync times, selecting ide driver module loading, raid5 :2 drives on same ide channel Mitchell Laks
2005-01-16 17:53                   ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-16 18:22                   ` Maarten
2005-01-16 19:39                   ` Guy
2005-01-16 20:55                     ` Maarten
2005-01-16 21:58                       ` Guy
2005-01-10 17:13             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
2005-01-10 17:35               ` hard disk re-locates bad block on read Guy
2005-01-11 14:34                 ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-11 22:43                   ` Guy
2005-01-12 13:51                     ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-10 18:24               ` Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-10 20:09                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 21:21                   ` maarten
2005-01-11  1:04                   ` maarten
2005-01-10 18:40               ` maarten
2005-01-10 19:41                 ` Guy
2005-01-12 11:41               ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-13  2:11                 ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2005-01-15 16:12                   ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-17  8:04                     ` RAID-6 Turbo Fredriksson
2005-01-11 10:09             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks KELEMEN Peter
2005-01-09 19:33         ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 21:26           ` maarten
2005-01-09 22:29             ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 23:16               ` maarten
2005-01-10  8:15                 ` Frank van Maarseveen [this message]
2005-01-14 17:29                   ` Dieter Stueken
2005-01-14 17:46                     ` maarten
2005-01-14 19:14                       ` Derek Piper
2005-01-15  0:13                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-15  9:34                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15  9:54                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:31                           ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-15 11:10                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:33                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15 11:07                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-09 23:20             ` Guy
2005-01-10  7:42               ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  9:03                 ` Guy
2005-01-10 12:21                   ` Stats... [RE: Spares and partitioning huge disks] Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10  0:42             ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-13  9:53 Bene Martin
2005-01-13 10:11 ` Peter T. Breuer

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