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From: Konstantin Olchanski <olchansk@triumf.ca>
To: David Liontooth <liontooth@cogweb.net>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:57:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060206035759.GB25631@sam.triumf.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E68D62.4080704@cogweb.net>

On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 03:42:26PM -0800, David Liontooth wrote:
> In designing an archival system, we're trying to find data on when it
> pays to power or spin the drives down versus keeping them running.
>
> Temperature obviously matters -- a linear approximation might look like this,
>      Lifetime = 60 - 12 [(t-40)/2.5]

I would expect an exponential rather than linear formula (linear formula yelds
negative life times). L = ... exp(-T) or L = ... exp(1/kT)

> Does anyone have an actual formula?

I doubt it, because it requires measuring lifetimes, which takes
years, by which time the data are useless because the disks you used
are obsolete.

> Or are different components stressed in a running drive versus one that
> is spinning up, so it's not possible to translate the cost of one into
> the currency of the other?

I would expect that spinning-up a drive is very stressful and is likely
to kill the drive [spindle motor power electronics]. In my experience
disk die about evenly from 3 causes: no spinning (dead spindle motor
power electronics), heads do not move (dead head motor power
electronics), or spontaneusly developing bad sectors (disk platter
contamination?).

Hmm... NASA-type people may have data for life times of power electronics,
at least the shape of the temperature dependance (linear or exp or ???).

-- 
Konstantin Olchanski
Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow!
Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca
Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-06  3:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-02  5:59 RAID 16? David Liontooth
2006-02-02  6:03 ` Neil Brown
2006-02-02  8:34 ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 16:17 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 16:28   ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-02 16:54     ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 20:24       ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 21:18       ` J. Ryan Earl
2006-02-02 21:29         ` Andy Smith
2006-02-02 22:38         ` Konstantin Olchanski
2006-02-03  2:31           ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-02-03  2:54         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-02 18:42   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2006-02-02 20:34     ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-03  0:20     ` Guy
2006-02-03  0:59       ` David Liontooth
2006-02-02 16:44 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2006-02-03  9:08   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-02-03  2:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-05 23:42   ` Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running David Liontooth
2006-02-06  3:57     ` Konstantin Olchanski [this message]
2006-02-06  5:25       ` Patrik Jonsson
2006-02-06  4:35     ` Richard Scobie
2006-02-06 10:09     ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-06 16:45       ` David Liontooth
2006-02-06 17:12         ` Francois Barre
2006-02-07  8:44           ` Hans Kristian Rosbach
2006-02-07 19:18           ` Neil Bortnak
2006-02-06 19:22     ` Brad Dameron
2006-02-06 21:15     ` Dan Stromberg
2009-09-20 19:44   ` RAID 16? Matthias Urlichs

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